Aren't holiday quests a waste of development time and effort right now?

[Peregrine]

I guarantee you that none of the game's critics would say a thing if no holiday events occurred. You don't see anyone lolling that the may event is cancelled. They aren't trolls. They will easily admit that holiday events are a waste of developers' time. People who think this game has poor quality are REASONABLE players, guys. They aren't nuts.

Will they criticize the slow pace of the repairs? Of course they will. We don't have a single major content overhaul yet, and things we do have are being redone again. The agro icon epitomizes the ineffectual repair process. You know what, the message in beta that informed you the mob was aware of your presence was the best system they've come up with. The indication in BETA. 6 months later they're dicking around with what the new icons look like and what colors the mob names should be.

The Desert Peiste is aware of your presence. Miss that notification? You die. They didn't need to fix ****. But that's a whole other different mess they're in.

[Arcell]

Same thing with the holiday event. Downplay that ****, don't put it on the front line of your letter as the majority of a PATCH.

It was never said that the April event was the majority of a patch. He said that 1.17 was 70% of the original content planned for 1.17 and that the other 30% would come in 1.17a. He said that the April event was part of that patch, nothing more nothing less.

Also, I'm done with this thread. I knew there was a reason I hated coming to General Discussion.

[Peregrine]

It was never said that the April event was the majority of a patch. He said that 1.17 was 70% of the original content planned for 1.17 and that the other 30% would come in 1.17a. He said that the April event was part of that patch, nothing more nothing less.

Also, I'm done with this thread. I knew there was a reason I hated coming to General Discussion.

lol you have a lot to learn about Square Enix speak. If you were familiar with this company and this team, you'd know that the holiday event is probably 60% of the 70% of 1.17, and the remaining 30% in 1.17a is a laundry list of more meaningless bug fixes and maybe some team sp tweaking.

Watch. You'll see.

[TheVedis]

lol you have a lot to learn about Square Enix speak. If you were familiar with this company and this team, you'd know that the holiday event is probably 60% of the 70% of 1.17, and the remaining 30% in 1.17a is a laundry list of more meaningless bug fixes and maybe some team sp tweaking.

Watch. You'll see.

and what do we get from you if you are wrong? Maybe youll stop posting this nonsense preeching you are doing about how much everything sucks and how bad SE is?
cuz right now thats all it sounds like we are getting from you

[Abriael]

I guarantee you that none of the game's critics would say a thing if no holiday events occurred.

You are very fast to guarantee things that don't depend on you.

They aren't trolls.

*choughs*

They will easily admit that holiday events are a waste of developers' time. People who think this game has poor quality are REASONABLE players, guys. They aren't nuts.

Some are, some aren't. When I read people that feel "insulted" by the presence of the aggro icon, it definitely doesn't help the impression you're trying to give.

Will they criticize the slow pace of the repairs? Of course they will. We don't have a single major content overhaul yet, and things we do have are being redone again. The agro icon epitomizes the ineffectual repair process. You know what, the message in beta that informed you the mob was aware of your presence was the best system they've come up with. The indication in BETA. 6 months later they're dicking around with what the new icons look like and what colors the mob names should be.

The Desert Peiste is aware of your presence. Miss that notification? You die. They didn't need to fix ****. But that's a whole other different mess they're in.

Actually, I know plenty of MMORPGs that change icons and colors past release, even WAY past release. Why? Simply because development is an ongoing process, and new ideas that come up past release normally aren't discarded telling "you should have come up with this in beta!".
Active development doesn't just mean fixing what's not working properly, it also means coming up with new additions, and obviously the two things will be done in paralel.

Development teams are made of different people, with different specializations, and different areas of expertise. The people whose areas of expertise doesn't involve them in the fixing process still go to work, and still produce results. Those results will be implemented into the game as soon as they're ready. There's no realistic reason to put them off until the rest is fixed just because someone (with no idea of how game development works) will bitch.

lol you have a lot to learn about Square Enix speak. If you were familiar with this company and this team, you'd know that the holiday event is probably 60% of the 70% of 1.17, and the remaining 30% in 1.17a is a laundry list of more meaningless bug fixes and maybe some team sp tweaking.

Watch. You'll see.

Ah, the old trite doomsaying...

[Peregrine]

Shh. Quiet. Learn your lesson and watch what happens. I'm amazed you got this far with your system of hopes and dreams. How many times has SE dashed them on rocks since September? Gotta be six, seven times you've been severely disappointed in an update you failed to understand just how underwhelmint it was going to be.

[Peregrine]

You are very fast to guarantee things that don't depend on you..

A testament to the predictability of people. Same reason I can tell you to just watch. Pay attention to your environment over years, and you too can speak for the trees.

It's a bluff. They have off-suits and no faces.

Humor me. What do you THINK "1.17 patch will be in preparation for upcoming PVE content."

PREPARATION for UPCOMING...what do you think that means? Seriously, how many SE content descriptions have you all even read to be thinking that even means anything?

[Jibe]

It's pretty obvious you still have alot of faith in SE Abriael. You still think they have what it takes to deliver and fix the game. I still think they do too. I'm just concerned with the image they are starting to get by hyping content while releasing other smaller stuff. It seems like the Yoshi infusion is wearing off for some people and Peregrine is a good example of that.

I do want to ask though, have you been satisfied with the updates so far? Have there been any updates that you were disappointed in when taken one by one?

[Abriael]

Shh. Quiet. Learn your lesson and watch what happens. I'm amazed you got this far with your system of hopes and dreams. How many times has SE dashed them on rocks since September? Gotta be six, seven times you've been severely disappointed in an update you failed to understand just how underwhelmint it was going to be.

Actually, having quite a bit of experience with the field, I've been disappointed very few times, besides at release. I know that certain things take time, and I know that what takes LESS time will be implemented first. And that's how it works around every game developer in the world.

People "fail to understand" only when they lack experience, and they are firmly convinced that they would do better. of course they have no real ground to believe that, but unfortunately it's the nature of the internet. I don't think there's even one decision from SE that I "failed to understand". Some I disagree with, but failing to understand is not part of disagreeing.

[Peregrine]

This is what an intelligent player who isn't a fanboy thinks this patch will be:

1.17
60% of this entire patch IS the egg hunt.
10% of this first patch is more UI tweaking and bugfix

1.17a (AKA planning to prepare to update for content that they don't have yet)
10% something that can be remotely skewed to affect 8 man raid teams, like SP gain adjustment and crowd control tweaks. Or hahahaha maybe some big ol' nerfing action.
20% UI tweaking and bugfixes


If you think this patch will overshadow the holiday event, you were born yesterday.