SE stop doing the "norm"

[Antipika]

Quests in this game suck. Every time I get a quest, I have to check my journal over and over again. Maybe if I could put marks on my map like I did in 11, I could tolerate them. But, for now, I am sick and tired of having to check my journal over and over again. And, what's with the map button always moving? Put it at the top where the journal text won't move it.

While I truly hate what you describe on XIV for quests, I also find amusing that you even mention XI.

I'd rather open my journal than being forced to return to POL Viewer, open an external site (ZAM/Somepage etc.), check where the f*** I have to go next, write notes (or print the page), restart FF XI. Just to notice after that I forgot something, having to log off again, etc.

While still being far behind competitors, SE made a tremendous progress when it comes to giving players information on steps to perform in order to clear a quest. On restriction in place when trying to do a content, etc. XI? Everything was outside the game, and it was either you break the ToS to ALT/TAB, either you have several devices to browse the web, either... you are screwed.

(Yeah we got official windowed mode later on, but that's way later)

[Jaimie]

While I truly hate what you describe on XIV for quests, I also find amusing that you even mention XI.

I'd rather open my journal than being forced to return to POL Viewer, open an external site (ZAM/Somepage etc.), check where the f*** I have to go next, write notes (or print the page), restart FF XI. Just to notice after that I forgot something, having to log off again, etc.

While still being far behind competitors, SE made a tremendous progress when it comes to giving players information on steps to perform in order to clear a quest. On restriction in place when trying to do a content, etc. XI? Everything was outside the game, and it was either you break the ToS to ALT/TAB, either you have several devices to browse the web, either... you are screwed.

(Yeah we got official windowed mode later on, but that's way later)

Are you trying to tell me you never search the internet for game related info (ie. quests, mobs, equipment etc) ?

I mentioned 11, because of the map marker feature. Also, FF11 didn't have a bunch of maze zones, or obstacles on the road every 20 feet, making navigating to your destination a pain in the butt.

I use a dual monitor setup, and find google to be a lot more useful than the journal.

Half the time I spend questing in this game, is spent watching cutscenes. The other half is travel time lol

[strallaalaa]

i think for quests directing us location to location if ok cause yeah i pretty much just looked up where to go. maybe having a toggle on off for that would be cool but then still the stories probably would have to hint them and be more work. but the thing i loved of ffxi quests was it wasn't for exp, and tons and tons were fun mini bosses. reality is if they caped them each one could of been considered an epic fun little battle to do with groups and solo. yeah there was lots of fetch and farm and run here and theres but in the end you knew a lot of them would of been fun to do and if doing at right levels they were great.

hopefully they add quests into the main story missions like wings of goddess expansion. it kinda forced you into doing quests along with the missions but you can solo most and then you get to some big battles in them as well with mini bosses. it was a great way to go with side quests.

[Andrien]

another doom and gloom thread...?

look I'm pretty sure my grandparents had a wheel and stick toy back in the days, but now that is an out-dated toy, and something I don't want to be seen with, and I doubt I'll have fun with it in this modern day and age.

You understand what I'm trying to say here?

[Gramul]

You understand what I'm trying to say here?

yes.

[strallaalaa]

another doom and gloom thread...?

look I'm pretty sure my grandparents had a wheel and stick toy back in the days, but now that is an out-dated toy, and something I don't want to be seen with, or have fun with today.

You understand what I'm trying to say here?

it has nothing to do with the wheel and stick, it's how long you can play with the toy no matter what the toy is. we don't want a mmo that we toss aside 5mins after we get it out of the package like 99% of the toys and games and even mmo's that come out these days. we get it they probably want to push out a new mmo much faster these days from the time there last one came out. but that don't make it a better product, it proves it to be a lesser quality.

[Andrien]

it has nothing to do with the wheel and stick, it's how long you can play with the toy no matter what the toy is. we don't want a mmo that we toss aside 5mins after we get it out of the package like 99% of the toys and games and even mmo's that come out these days. we get it they probably want to push out a new mmo much faster these days from the time there last one came out. but that don't make it a better product, it proves it to be a lesser quality.

you probably still play with the wheel and stick..

I understand you're assuming FFXIV will turn out like that if they borrow what works in other mmorpgs, and improve on it. I don't have much to say on that matter, but for me I'll reserve my criticism until the flood hits.

[Gramul]

you probably still play with the wheel and stick..

And why is that bad?
If it's fun, good. The only issue is if you get jealous with what's new. Thinking it's somehow a more valid fun.

Hell. I have fun watching movies from 100 years ago. Do the innovations made in the last century make my entertainment less valid? Is The Artist a terrible film because it's in black and white in an age of color? Is Casablanca made worse from its thousands of parodies? Is it bad that I have fun playing early NES games that don't have a simple built in mapping system?
Because if it is, I'm a terrible person.

[Andrien]

And why is that bad?
If it's fun, good. The only issue is if you get jealous with what's new. Thinking it's somehow a more valid fun.

Hell. I have fun watching movies from 100 years ago. Do the innovations made in the last century make my entertainment less valid? Is The Artist a terrible film because it's in black and white in an age of color? Is Casablanca made worse from its thousands of parodies? Is it bad that I have fun playing early NES games that don't have a simple built in mapping system?
Because if it is, I'm a terrible person.

Okay first things first, you have a lot of questions. Secondly I was not replaying to you. Thirdly that list of classic entertainments is not relevant because each one was limited to the technology of the time. I hope you're following with me here. Overtime I'm sure you've noticed that technology improves, new ideas come to life, and so did the entertainment industry. Hopefully it didn't improve to fast for you.

Lastly, I never said wheel and stick toy was bad. All I said was it was out-dated, and just like all out-dated things they get replaced with something better.