SE stop doing the "norm"

[Denmo]

I can agree with what you're saying, Gramul. It is worrisome at times.

But I also think that at this point it's far to risky for SE to try anything daring and new. They dug themselves into that hole when they forced the game's launch early (I think I know who to blame for that, and it certainly isn't Tanaka). The most we can hope for is a standardized MMO with FF chocobos plastered on top at this point. I'd rather have that than nothing at all.

Take Capcom for example. They had everything they needed to make another standard, fun, old-fashioned romp in Mega Man Legends 3. They didn't need to take risks. Just follow a set formula that Inafune laid out for them. Did they? Nope. Nope nope nope nope nope and honestly that pisses me off more than if they had at least given it a mediocre attempt. Capcom's now hurting because they've suddenly killed their iconic franchise. I'm never buying another Capcom game, which is a shame because they had good things going for them.

At least SE has the balls to keep truckin'. I can only hope they take the standard MMO experience and somehow make it better.


IN ANY CASE this topic is pointless till we get our hands on the actual game.

[Gramul]

To be entirely honest, I'd say it's a bigger risk to "play it """safe"""" due to the extremely high failure rate in doing so. (far as MMOs go)
But yeah, we'll see.

[Azurymber]

I actually liked 1.0. While it had some serious flaws, the actual gameplay and design was pretty awesome. Once Yoshi took over i felt like they took out the coolest parts (massive parties, animals that followed you, etc)

I think that the main thing ffxiv is lacking is adventure. I remember in ffxi, exploring a zone was dangerous. Finding a camp was -fun-. I was hoping xiv would be somthing like playing bst on xi (which was seriously the best gaming experience of my life)

On ffxi when you played old style bstmaster, you would find mobs to use as pets, and a camp to fight stuff. Sometimes they would be at opposite ends of the map. You'd pull or kite the pet mobs -all- the way to your camp and then try to switch them when health got low (they would start walking back... but slowly). Overall, leveling took strategy, knowledge of the mobs, and knowledge of the lands.
I'm not saying charming pets is the way to go. But when you get strategy, every fight is different.

Instead every fight became -hit hit hit ws hit hit hit ws heal hit hit hit- like every other boring mmo out there.

Even with repetitive ffxi parties, you got really fun stuff like trying to get a party to Yhotar jungle through yuhtunga's confusing tunnels and drops, long pulls to the entrance of garliage citadel. etc. If you linked stuff, things were actually dangerous. Getting to leveling spots took effort.

XI felt like an adventure at every point. Even beating the early CoP stuff to see the new areas was exciting. And when you got to the new areas the music, atmosphere, and story all combined to make it feel amazing. Each part of the zone was different.

Even with wings of the goddess, you got some really awesome exciting new zones to explore. Having to sneak past armies of aggro mobs, seeing cascading waterfalls, etc. It was all beautiful.

XI was a true adventure and experience. And this game has completely lost every aspect of that.

I really hope the re-capture it in 2.0. But from what they have shown, it doesn't look very promising. But we shall see

[Firon]

To be entirely honest, I'd say it's a bigger risk to "play it """safe"""" due to the extremely high failure rate in doing so. (far as MMOs go)
But yeah, we'll see.

This boggles me ppl keep saying mmo's playing it safe are failures but those mmo's still have more subs than xi, but you guys call that successful. I'm at a lost for words.

[Rokien]

I can agree with what you're saying, Gramul. It is worrisome at times.

But I also think that at this point it's far to risky for SE to try anything daring and new. They dug themselves into that hole when they forced the game's launch early (I think I know who to blame for that, and it certainly isn't Tanaka). The most we can hope for is a standardized MMO with FF chocobos plastered on top at this point. I'd rather have that than nothing at all.

Take Capcom for example. They had everything they needed to make another standard, fun, old-fashioned romp in Mega Man Legends 3. They didn't need to take risks. Just follow a set formula that Inafune laid out for them. Did they? Nope. Nope nope nope nope nope and honestly that pisses me off more than if they had at least given it a mediocre attempt. Capcom's now hurting because they've suddenly killed their iconic franchise. I'm never buying another Capcom game, which is a shame because they had good things going for them.

At least SE has the balls to keep truckin'. I can only hope they take the standard MMO experience and somehow make it better.


IN ANY CASE this topic is pointless till we get our hands on the actual game.

That's to bad, because Dragons dogma is one of my favorite games, like, ever.
Just because they did bad with one game, they have DmC, RE(RE6 was super epic, don't care what anyone says) All their fighting games.Capcom is doing well, and making good quality games.

But now and here is not the time for capcom. MMOs are.

[Ruisu]

That's to bad, because Dragons dogma is one of my favorite games, like, ever.
Just because they did bad with one game, they have DmC, RE(RE6 was super epic, don't care what anyone says) All their fighting games.Capcom is doing well, and making good quality games.

But now and here is not the time for capcom. MMOs are.

The best part is that I know you're being serious when you say this. This thread is complaining about why FFXIV isn't the most innovative shit ever, but here you are.

Praising RE6.
and Dragon's Dogma.
and Capcom in general.

I just can't stop laughing.

[Rokien]

The best part is that I know you're being serious when you say this. This thread is complaining about why FFXIV isn't the most innovative shit ever, but here you are.

Praising RE6.
and Dragon's Dogma.
and Capcom in general.

I just can't stop laughing.

I'm going way off topic here

What's wrong with RE6?
What's wrong with Dragons Dogman(seriously)

[Ingolf]

I'm going way off topic here

What's wrong with RE6?
What's wrong with Dragons Dogman(seriously)

Everything, literally.

[Lirion]

I'm going way off topic here

What's wrong with RE6?
What's wrong with Dragons Dogman(seriously)

Giant Bomb pretty much sums it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyeBRd6BIB4