SE stop doing the "norm"

[bobbygunz]

There is nothing inherently wrong with questing, however the way many MMOs choose to deliver them is really stupid. From everything SE have told us, ARR will play host to hundred of mediocre/skippable quests which players will spam as though they were a chore. Rokien is right, this isn't fun.

It might be a standard, but let's try raise the bar a bit, ok?

[CSLionheart]

[Gramul]

And just where do you think you're going?

if you think ARR is copying "everything WoW does" this conversation is over with, because i can't even begin to take you seriously anymore.

Oh, it's not about what he thinks exactly, it's about what the populous sees for 2.0.
Will it really seem like anything different from the base standard? Enough to keep people attached or even interested?

[fusional]

Oh, it's not about what he thinks exactly, it's about what the populous sees for 2.0.
Will it really seem like anything different from the base standard? Enough to keep people attached or even interested?

then the populous either never played WoW or are overreacting based on an in irrational internalized bias. i raided in WoW for years and nothing i've seen in the concept art, screenshots, videos, live letters or any other media has even begun to strike me as overly similar to a game i'm deeply familiar with. there are a few passing similarities, but nearly every MMO suffers from that- and it's not because they're copying WoW (as many of these elements existed before WoW), it's because they're borrowing from a set of ideas that have worked for multiple games.

most of the arguments against ARR "copying" WoW use logic like "well Borderlands uses guns and Halo uses guns therefore Borderlands is copying Halo", and it's patently ridiculous. it's just an exaggerated knee-jerk reaction based on the simple fact that WoW was referenced in the first place.

[Biggs]

And just where do you think you're going?


Oh, it's not about what he thinks exactly, it's about what the populous sees for 2.0.
Will it really seem like anything different from the base standard? Enough to keep people attached or even interested?

As much as I want to see this game become a fun success, when reading this statement, my first initial thought was "And Se's business model for 2.0 is to take things we liked from all the other FF's (and other MMO's) and add them to the game."
How completely unoriginal.

"Oh you like turkey sandwiches? And you like Spagetti with Meat Sauce? Well we are the FIRST to bring you turkey sandwiches with spagetti and meat sauce in them!! Whats not to like!? Also, keep an eye out for our expansion in 2014! Its rumored they are adding icecream!"

Thanks Gamul! Your truth telling has saddened me

[LlenCoram]

"Oh you like turkey sandwiches? And you like Spagetti with Meat Sauce? Well we are the FIRST to bring you turkey sandwiches with spagetti and meat sauce in them!! Whats not to like!? Also, keep an eye out for our expansion in 2014! Its rumored they are adding icecream!"

Actually... that sounds really good. I might have to try and make that one day.

[Biggs]

Actually... that sounds really good. I might have to try and make that one day.

Let me know how that turns out a few hours after you eat it.

Wait, wait..... I actually don't need to know that at all

Send me a pic of the sandwhich before you eat it too btw! You can hold off on the after pics, I am good.

[Teakwood]

Rokien, perhaps it is -you- who should stop doing nothing more than what the public expects of you!

[yoshikwalla]

Unlike a lot of other MMORPGs that are going towards the norm, this time it's a step up for this game, or at least some sort of base that can be built upon in the future. People need to realize that 2.0 isn't going to be some gigantic super-dooper-game - its a chance for the game to change its engine and become a solid MMO. Not making huge steps forward for the genre, just making the game work in a way that doesn't rhyme with blit. The goodness will come after that.

Ohwaitrokienthread.

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*tapdances to the exit, stage right*

[Gramul]

Unlike a lot of other MMORPGs that are going towards the norm, this time it's a step up for this game, or at least some sort of base that can be built upon in the future. People need to realize that 2.0 isn't going to be some gigantic super-dooper-game - its a chance for the game to change its engine and become a solid MMO. Not making huge steps forward for the genre, just making the game work in a way that doesn't rhyme with blit. The goodness will come after that.

If the game can't grip people within the launch window, it won't grab them afterward. Least not without some bizarre hype bomb. The same is true of every game that has existed. MMO or not.

That's why I'm concerned that a lot of 2.0's planned content is coming out months after its release, and I'm getting the distinct feeling that they're rushing the game out again. Yes, they have a clear plan this time around, but I'm having difficulty seeing it holding outside attention throughout those months, especially when each patch thus far has been completed within a few days. But we'll see.