SE stop doing the "norm"

[lordvr]

are still killing mobs, but you have to put in that extra leg work, also they tell you what to kill not you asking, would it be better to kill this or this at my level, what about other areas?

All MMOs with quest hubs have several alternatives for questing areas in each level bracket such that you actually do end up actually making that kind of choice.

[Elexia]

You will never get that feeling you got 10 years ago back, ever. You are not who you were 10 years ago. You just need to let that go and grow with whats new.

People bring up FFXI a lot because it's a successful MMORPG that the same people made and most likely the MMO that'll still outlast XIV no matter what they do to it. It's really, really not that hard of a concept to grasp about people telling SE to look back at what they did with XI, take what works and go on from there.

It's something that every MMO developer has been doing for years including Blizzard since you know people like to say they invented the MMO genre with WoW and all.

[Babydoll]

People bring up FFXI a lot because it's a successful MMORPG that the same people made and most likely the MMO that'll still outlast XIV no matter what they do to it. It's really, really not that hard of a concept to grasp about people telling SE to look back at what they did with XI, take what works and go on from there.

It's something that every MMO developer has been doing for years including Blizzard since you know people like to say they invented the MMO genre with WoW and all.

This. Will be a shame if they do not take successful things from XI (when it was in its prime) and apply them to XIV. Does not have to be everything but the things that were good in that game were REALLY good.

[VitoScaletta]

However, let's get back to why we bring up FFXI so much. This is something I've learned through the process of this game failing and on the road to being redeveloped. I've noticed, in the beginning, that I was looking quite forward to their next installment and felt like a kid again. I remembered running through Sarutabaruta leveling my BLM and it being the first Summerfest killing Rabai and running to the zone lines away from Yaguto. Then later, probably a week later knowing FFXI's progression, gathering all the BLM I could find to kill worms in The Maze of Shakhrami and warning them to be very conservative on using Stonega as it might hit another worm or Goblin with it's back turned.

the rush of nastalgia made my head explode. i rmember using my lil scoop to get the goldfish...o man... i can think about my 8 years of FFXI experience all day.

[strallaalaa]

adults grow up but new players keep coming in. your saying that they won't enjoy what other people enjoyed then? it's not like they are adding a twilight and vampire diaries theme to the game. though i wouldn't put it past them either lol.

you are right though, it's like heroin your never gonna get that exact same feeling as the first. but it does have to do with how the game is produced and who it's produced for. mmo's are short lived. and as year goes by you'll realize your paying monthly for an offline game with people in it.

as for the 16people killing crabs over literally just running around spot to spot doing quests that you don't even read, yeah huge difference but i like the crabs with 16people to roll with over ..solo'ing quests. if i want to enjoy flowers they won't be of the digital kind. but either way i bring up ffxi again, but lol that game had so much exploring in it. the problem people have is that leveling is separated. witch only helps layer a mmo more.

it's not nostalgia or age that keeps you from not liking other mmo's anymore. read all the threads in every forum for every mmo. either way it's about cash and how people are side lined out of there own enjoyment to sqeeze more people and profits. just like someone else said earlier this is happening with tv and movies too. can't enjoy even a syfy series without it trying to grab other types of audience by adding filler and garbage to it. or using the same name of old just to get old and new into it. in the end we are all getting half of what we used to.

[Antipika]

adults grow up but new players keep coming in. your saying that they won't enjoy what other people enjoyed then? it's not like they are adding a twilight and vampire diaries theme to the game. though i wouldn't put it past them either lol.

No they won't enjoy what you did back then. Did you enjoy the same things as your parents when you were a kid? Most likely not. (Could it be movies, music, books, etc.)

Video games/MMOs are no different. Customers evolve, games need to adapt.

but why are mmo's getting stupider and stupider to play and dumbed down while all other genre are being taken up a notch.

Implying other genres aren't becoming easier as well. If you take offline FF, say hi to "Retry" feature. Gameover don't even have a meaning any more, you can just restart any fight when you want. You're not even forced to die.

Fail your opening? No problem => restart. We are far from old RPG where you had to do a 30-60 minutes dungeon before getting to the final boss and you were put in a "stressful" situation because failing would mean do the whole dungeon again.

Sure few niche game are still becoming harder and harder with time (some fighters but also music games or sports games etc.) but these were games that were already hard to master and competitive back in the days.

[RudyFails]

Oh boy, 16 people charging onto one crab does not look completely absurd and ridiculous. Also sticking around one small square foot in the entire map as compared to the exploration that questing can give you. and dungeons too. No no no, camping crabs for hours on end is FAR more enjoyable than that.

You know, I just really fucking hate when people try to tell me that what I find fun, isn't fun because they say so.

[LuxLux]

Unhappy people are just unhappy with anything. If "old" players are unable to enjoy what they have today, it is just because they now are old and feel the past it's better and it's not. It's just the lack of ability to appreciate the evolution of things even if they are minimal. Things are always getting better but you need to stop comparing the past or you'll be blind with just your nostalgia of the past.

[strallaalaa]

Unhappy people are just unhappy with anything. If "old" players are unable to enjoy what they have today, it is just because they now are old and feel the past it's better and it's not. It's just the lack of ability to appreciate the evolution of things even if they are minimal. Things are always getting better but you need to stop comparing the past or you'll be blind with just your nostalgia of the past.

that's like saying i don't like fighter games like street fighter any more cause they are getting better. the only thing changing in those games is they are getting more complex. longer strings of combo's or what have you. take more time to memorize and get good at characters. doesn't mean they can't make a A+ fighter that is more simpler. so yeah i'm getting older, i don't smoke pot and play all day, i can't kick a teens butt in it. but why are mmo's getting stupider and stupider to play and dumbed down while all other genre are being taken up a notch.

the reality is we should have everything we had back then with the new. also it's a fact that no matter what at the end of the day it's asking for more in a game not less. then who ever doesn't want to do more doesn't have to. create a top notch mmo then add ways to make it easier with options for others, or separate servers. rather then just start at the bottom and screw everyone else cause it's cheap, easy and probably way more profitable.

[Aztlan]

What's the difference or SE providing a (!) and you logging on to Alla k~ and looking at the walkthrough. I say thanks SE!