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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Matsume View Post
    Just goes to show how little faith the forum going player base has in SE.
    Having faith in SE: "Ok guys, here's the alpha test as promised. It will begin September 25th for the Japanese stress test then becomes open to everyone on October 6th. Alright! Now that that is over, beta begins November 15th just as promised."

    ^ SE keeping their word and sticking to schedule is what gives players faith. It's not negativity at work nor is it people just being impatient, everything SE has said and done lately has been so far off base they may as well not say anything at all.

    SE: "Information about ARR will come out all summer long!"
    Translation: "You'll get bits and pieces of information sparsely throughout the summer."
    SE: "You're in for a flood of information about ARR starting with Gamescom."
    Translation: "You'll get the same information repeated to you multiple times through interviews."

    Honestly, as much faith as you want to put into SE you have to admit, everything has been delayed and extended, remember how they said it will take a month of downtime to transition over to ARR while we're testing with new accounts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matsume View Post
    No one has said anything about 3-4 month downtime. This is purely player speculation and negativity at work.

    SE has said that they envisage the launch of ARR for the New Year. As in November and December - that's two months downtime. I have a very hard time believing they would push this back beyond winter break.
    It has been reported all over the place and on the forums that ARR is NOT launching until after JANUARY 2013. Not sure where you are getting this bogus information as I can guarantee you there is NO source detailing a Nov/Dec launch.

    In fact, the roadmap clearly states the Open beta starts in January. So how could they launch while the game is still in beta???? This is not speculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    Having faith in SE: "Ok guys, here's the alpha test as promised. It will begin September 25th for the Japanese stress test then becomes open to everyone on October 6th. Alright! Now that that is over, beta begins November 15th just as promised."

    ^ SE keeping their word and sticking to schedule is what gives players faith. It's not negativity at work nor is it people just being impatient, everything SE has said and done lately has been so far off base they may as well not say anything at all.

    SE: "Information about ARR will come out all summer long!"
    Translation: "You'll get bits and pieces of information sparsely throughout the summer."
    SE: "You're in for a flood of information about ARR starting with Gamescom."
    Translation: "You'll get the same information repeated to you multiple times through interviews."

    Honestly, as much faith as you want to put into SE you have to admit, everything has been delayed and extended, remember how they said it will take a month of downtime to transition over to ARR while we're testing with new accounts?
    I will admit that there have been uncountable delays and extensions. However, I will also point out that nothing SE says is set in stone and believing otherwise is proof of your naieveté. Most of SE's posts in regards future dates are more often than not projections shrouded in vague verbiage such as "we would like to launch by...." or "we hope it will be ready by" and "if all goes according to plan we will implement..." or "ideally...".

    There are very little hard and fast dates in regards the implementation of content in development. Rarely will you find such precise terms as "we promise that by X date Y event will be implemented" or "we are certain that the game will be ready by..." and "such and such will be implemented by..."

    When you say "Ok guys, here's the alpha test as promised. It will begin September 25th for the Japanese stress test then becomes open to everyone on October 6th. Alright! Now that that is over, beta begins November 15th just as promised." I respond with: show me a quote in which SE uses the term "promise" in regards the release of alpha and beta test.

    The point is SE hasn't decieved you, but rather that you have decieved yourselves by misinterpreting SE's choice of words. Your assumptions and expectations in the fulfillment of false prromises are solely to blame. If you take everything SE has to say inregards the timing of events with a grain of salt and look at it from the perspective that nothing is set in stone you wouldn't dissapoint yourselves so often. What's worse is to place that dssapointment on others when it is entirely within ones own control.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quesse View Post
    It has been reported all over the place and on the forums that ARR is NOT launching until after JANUARY 2013. Not sure where you are getting this bogus information as I can guarantee you there is NO source detailing a Nov/Dec launch.

    In fact, the roadmap clearly states the Open beta starts in January. So how could they launch while the game is still in beta???? This is not speculation.
    November and December represent the two month long downtime before the anticipated launch in january for the New Year. How you are unable to interpret that I know not other than to assume you are dense...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quesse View Post
    It has been reported all over the place and on the forums that ARR is NOT launching until after JANUARY 2013. Not sure where you are getting this bogus information as I can guarantee you there is NO source detailing a Nov/Dec launch.

    In fact, the roadmap clearly states the Open beta starts in January. So how could they launch while the game is still in beta???? This is not speculation.
    actually the road map lumps closed beta, open beta, and pc 2.0 free trial period all in one, and makes no distinction of when one begins nor ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baxter View Post
    actually the road map lumps closed beta, open beta, and pc 2.0 free trial period all in one, and makes no distinction of when one begins nor ends.
    The only things lumped in are the PS3 beta was supposed to begin after the PC alpha started which was the End of Sept and Early Oct, which is the time frame they threw around countless times the last year. How could PS3 beta start before the PC alpha even starts? That's when you have to think for just a second about what they actually means. The PC free trial is obviously what we're doing now..we're no longer being charged for the game while transitioning over to ARR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    The only things lumped in are the PS3 beta was supposed to begin after the PC alpha started which was the End of Sept and Early Oct, which is the time frame they threw around countless times the last year. How could PS3 beta start before the PC alpha even starts? That's when you have to think for just a second about what they actually means. The PC free trial is obviously what we're doing now..we're no longer being charged for the game while transitioning over to ARR.
    Just to prove my point since you are unable to prove yours:

    Upcoming Patch Schedule & Version 2.0 Details

    Page 15 (last page) "Comprehensive Roadmap":

    *The aforementioned dates are subject to change.
    tralalalala...
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  7. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Matsume View Post
    Just to prove my point since you are unable to prove yours:

    Upcoming Patch Schedule & Version 2.0 Details

    Page 15 (last page) "Comprehensive Roadmap":



    tralalalala...
    They are subject to change and if they knew they wouldn't make the time frame, they should have formally announced a lot sooner that the time frames are off or updated the PDFs to reflect that, but what's funny about all this is you saying this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Matsume View Post
    November and December represent the two month long downtime before the anticipated launch in january for the New Year. How you are unable to interpret that I know not other than to assume you are dense...
    This kind of makes you a hypocrite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matsume View Post
    Just to prove my point since you are unable to prove yours:

    Upcoming Patch Schedule & Version 2.0 Details

    Page 15 (last page) "Comprehensive Roadmap":



    tralalalala...
    Will never get bored of seeing those new map designs, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    They are subject to change and if they knew they wouldn't make the time frame, they should have formally announced a lot sooner that the time frames are off or updated the PDFs to reflect that, but what's funny about all this is you saying this:




    This kind of makes you a hypocrite.
    As Capt. Barbosa would say: They are more like.. Guidelines to the actual rule!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    They are subject to change and if they knew they wouldn't make the time frame, they should have formally announced a lot sooner that the time frames are off or updated the PDFs to reflect that, but what's funny about all this is you saying this:



    This kind of makes you a hypocrite.
    Where exactly is the hypocricy in my quote? Please elaborate...

    Quote Originally Posted by Starlord View Post
    As Capt. Barbosa would say: They are more like.. Guidelines to the actual rule!
    Lol these people think "roadmaps" are absolute time stamps when in reality they are predictions of the "estimated time of arrival".

    I wonder if they get upset at google when you print out directions from pont A to point B and it takes you longer than google's "estimated travel time" predicts...
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