FFXIVARR Lower stats for token items

[Shougun]

The issue isnt skill or what not it is that some players probably 75% just want their reward w/o putting much effort into it. Now I stand by the statement: Regardless if you complete the content or not the dev's dont have to give you a bone aka reward, players are entitled to nothing for doing content. Now the Devs put gear or a weapon in content to be earned yet the same 75% think they are entitled to a drop for little to no effort, regardless of rng or what have you. I can support a drop increase of 5% possibly 10% but no more. I can not support 100% drop on the best gear in the game, I really cant support the token system unless, you can get darklight meaning for every 200 tokens you can get a non-body and for 400 tokens you can get a body. Now my suggestion provides what the players want and that is progress and it will also keep the players running said content. Now regarding the 3 loots per dungeon that needs to go as their wont be enough content to support such a lock out at the launch of 2.0 and yoshi has already in a way confirmed that.

Confused how you can suggest a drop rate increase but not a token system that reaches all gear.

Basically you say you support easier randomness but not hard dedication and reliable means , I've never said anything about easy. Or perhaps you are misunderstanding how some other loot systems can work.

[indira]

people are coming up with crazy numbers like 200 runs thats 90-100 hours of spamming unless the lock out is longer then thats gonna be thats much longer. you should be forced to get an items to even do the instance. that would kill spamming. and not easy a hell items like inferno taper, unmarked keystones & garuda items you need to start the fight.
EXAMPLE only:
ffxi you got beastmen seals to trade for orbs at different prices and each orb was a different level then you used that orb to start different instances in different areas, there there was kindred seal did the same purpose but had different fights and so on. that kinda system your not penalized or able to spam.

then you had bigger events that costed a hour galss item that lasted an hour & costed 1mill gil and you could make like copys of it to give to party members once you enter the instance your timer started after the tier ended you had a 3 day lock out.

the ARR dungeons need to be more then just a kill quest also, even wow had quest you can get inside a instance.

[Maxthunder]

Confused how you can suggest a drop rate increase but not a token system that reaches all gear.

Basically you say you support easier randomness but not hard dedication and reliable means , I've never said anything about easy. Or perhaps you are misunderstanding how some other loot systems can work.

Please read again I suggested both a small increase in drop rate as well as the tokens say 200 for non-bodies and 400 tokens for bodies. We already know that crystal towers may or may not be ready at launch and Im betting it wont be ready at launch.

[Orophin]

Hopefully, though, they can find a way to integrate the tokens so they can be used for things beyond placeholder gear until you can get the rarer drops. Whether that is through desirable/useful consumables, or unique accessories, or even just novelty items. As long as they can create a need for the tokens it should keep things interesting.

My proposition was to handle it like WoW, back when I played it anyway. The only thing you could buy that was shared between relevant content at the time were items used to trade for tier gear. Everything else you buy with tokens were unique items, usually in slots where between two dungeons that were relevant to a content patch, there would be one drop for that slot. (wands, librams, etc.) Later on they started adding boots and gauntlets and stuff.

Anyway, if people are dead set against using tokens for main slot armor pieces (head, body, hands, feet, legs) then at least let us use tokens for equipment for all the other different item slots, but are the same item level as drops from the other dungeons.

[Shougun]

Please read again I suggested both a small increase in drop rate as well as the tokens say 200 for non-bodies and 400 tokens for bodies. We already know that crystal towers may or may not be ready at launch and Im betting it wont be ready at launch.

I just must be reading it wrong then because I get something else out of it lol

And system like what you said will work I think, only a few pages in I said something very similar.

Just RNG however cannot be the only avenue.

[darkstarpoet1]

I just must be reading it wrong then because I get something else out of it lol

And system like what you said will work I think, only a few pages in I said something very similar.

Just RNG however cannot be the only avenue.

yeah, war just thinks since the bodies are the most difficult to get in a set it should have the highest cost if allowed to be obtained via tokens. it was a more along the lines he doesn't support getting the best gear via tokens without having them require alot of effort to get them.

he's like i mentioned earlier.
20 tokens gets the lower tier gear with 50% of the stats
200 tokens gets the higher tier gear.

his only difference is he wants to have the body cost more than the rest because it's the hardest to get now. it'd be like 10 tokens for ifrit's weapons and 20 for garuda's except it'd be on bodies and everything else.