FFXIVARR Lower stats for token items

[Maxthunder]

I can't believe in 2013 we are expected to run the same instance 100+ times for 1 piece of gear or if unlucky none at all. Are people content with this kind of design?

Even running an instance 50+ times. Why would anyone outside of the niche fanbase sub to this model.

Especially since Yoshida said he wants a like patch content updates what is point of making someone run an instance 100+times. When the new content will be out for them to play.

So what do you believe is fair? Do you want to work for anything or have it handed to you? Based on what you posted you want everything handed to you with little to no effort on your part. The Dev's have catered to you enough, if you dont want to do the content than thats your issue but if you want something from said content you need to be prepared to put the time and effort into it. There is no reason what so ever for a game to hand you anything and you do nothing to work towards or for it. If you want everything handed to you with little or no effort from you than maybe you need to find a game thats your speed, cause it seems FFXIV isnt your speed.

[Shougun]

So what do you believe is fair? Do you want to work for anything or have it handed to you? Based on what you posted you want everything handed to you with little to no effort on your part. The Dev's have catered to you enough, if you dont want to do the content than thats your issue but if you want something from said content you need to be prepared to put the time and effort into it. There is no reason what so ever for a game to hand you anything and you do nothing to work towards or for it. If you want everything handed to you with little or no effort from you than maybe you need to find a game thats your speed, cause it seems FFXIV isnt your speed.

So 100 runs for one item is too fast for you?

[darkstarpoet1]

So 100 runs for one item is too fast for you?

the guy he quoted went as far to say 50 runs was too many times to get all the gear out of a dungeon.

Even running an instance 50+ times. Why would anyone outside of the niche fanbase sub to this model.

i'm sorry when a dungeon has 10-15 pieces of gear to say that 5 runs is too much to get everything is pure stupidity.

[Shougun]

the guy he quoted went as far to say 50 runs was too many times to get all the gear out of a dungeon.



i'm sorry when a dungeon has 10-15 pieces of gear to say that 5 runs is too much to get everything is pure stupidity.

I didnt get that all the gear part, but having done 50+ rounds on a primal with no show for reward expect 3 full stacks of level 5 dark matter I'm kind of annoyed.

5 runs per armor piece isnt that bad though (10 pieces of gear, 50 runs) - depending on how short of a dungeon we are talking about and how hard of course (keeping in mind most dungeons will be longer in 2.0 and will level sync you so that you can't rape face).

[darkstarpoet1]

I didnt get that all the gear part, but having done 50+ rounds on a primal with no show for reward expect 3 full stacks of level 5 dark matter I'm kind of annoyed.

5 runs per armor piece isnt that bad though (10 pieces of gear, 50 runs) - depending on how short of a dungeon we are talking about and how hard of course (keeping in mind most dungeons will be longer in 2.0 and will level sync you so that you can't rape face).

believe me i feel you on the primals. before they put in the tokens i was over 500 runs on ifrit and still didn't have all the weapons. i wanted that last weapon so i kept running it though.

my thing is yes 1 dl drop every 5 runs is not bad, but you have to remember we have 8 people in that party. that means going by % you would only get 1 dl drop every 40 runs(8 people x 5 runs). going by that % if you wanted every piece of dl(15 pieces) it'd be around 600 runs. that's why i mentioned having a high cost of tokens to get the highly coveted gear just because you would be running hundreds of times to get everything anyways.

edit: the reason i was saying have the better gear like a darklight cuirass as able to be purchased via tokens is even if you are having a crappy time getting it to drop or lotting on it when it does at least gives you something so you can say "well my luck is crap, but i am making progress towards it slowly" even if it took 300 tokens at 1 token per run.

[Shougun]

believe me i feel you on the primals. before they put in the tokens i was over 500 runs on ifrit and still didn't have all the weapons. i wanted that last weapon so i kept running it though.

my thing is yes 1 dl drop every 5 runs is not bad, but you have to remember we have 8 people in that party. that means going by % you would only get 1 dl drop every 40 runs(8 people x 5 runs). going by that % if you wanted every piece of dl(15 pieces) it'd be around 600 runs. that's why i mentioned having a high cost of tokens to get the highly coveted gear just because you would be running hundreds of times to get everything anyways.

edit: the reason i was saying have the better gear like a darklight cuirass as able to be purchased via tokens is even if you are having a crappy time getting it to drop or lotting on it when it does at least gives you something so you can say "well my luck is crap, but i am making progress towards it slowly" even if it took 300 tokens at 1 token per run.

Yeah things shouldn't be free but you should also be able to conceptualize the light at the end the tunnel (metaphoric to each dungeon, because everyone knows mmos never end :P).

But I think we are all saying the same thing (specially now), we just want to be careful that things arent given away like candy but also not a run in the dark praying.

Awkwardly Yoshida is trying to make it another form of running in the Dark, while it appears he has removed RNG he has not. The items that drop are still randomly chosen (could get the same sword over and over) and you also have to fight over the items with your static and / or PUG.

For a static this system actually isnt that bad (people can agree on lot orders and maintain those orders through multiple runs on different days).

But for a PUG is beyond bad - really anti PUG system.

I think the simple fix is just to let the tokens buy the full gear but that it costs a lot of tokens. So while probably not wanting to run 100 times at least you know that you can get the item even if your static and ls fall apart, and you have the worst rolls in the PUG. Thats what bothers me about the primals most. Each run I do there is not a better opportunity or chance, its the same crap - at least if i KNEW I would get something then I could rationalize its worth. I'd be like hey damn 30 runs for one weapon thats a lot, but at least if all luck fails I know I'll get it.

[darkstarpoet1]

Yeah things shouldn't be free but you should also be able to conceptualize the light at the end the tunnel (metaphoric to each dungeon, because everyone knows mmos never end :P).

But I think we are all saying the same thing (specially now), we just want to be careful that things arent given away like candy but also not a run in the dark praying.

Awkwardly Yoshida is trying to make it another form of running in the Dark, while it appears he has removed RNG he has not. The items that drop are still randomly chosen (could get the same sword over and over) and you also have to fight over the items with your static and / or PUG.

For a static this system actually isnt that bad (people can agree on lot orders and maintain those orders through multiple runs on different days).

But for a PUG is beyond bad - really anti PUG system.

yeah, that's all i've been saying. say that you can get the gear with the downgraded stats for 25 tokens going by the same idea of one token per run. well that may be an upgrade for someone if they just want a minor upgrade or they could put forth the effort to save 250 tokens to get the high end piece they really want. it gives both options for people that actually want to get the high end piece to feel like they are making progress on that one piece they really want, but also gives the others the chance to run a few times and get a lesser version of it.

i use 25 and 250 because i feel the high end should be 10x as hard to get, but they are just random numbers. i don't care if it's 20-200, 10-100, or 50-500 as long as you could see progress towards that gear you want i'd be happy with that idea.

[Dzian]

the reason i was saying have the better gear like a darklight cuirass as able to be purchased via tokens is even if you are having a crappy time getting it to drop or lotting on it when it does at least gives you something so you can say "well my luck is crap, but i am making progress towards it slowly" even if it took 300 tokens at 1 token per run.

Again this is it. People don't want stuff handed to them. They just want a bit of reassurance that they will get what they want eventually and can visibly see themselves getting closer and closer to obtaining what they want one way or another.

How many thfs spent years doing dyna and never saw thf gloves or rdms with there hats for example. people want to be able to see progress on the items they want. which is what every token topic for the last 2 years has been about. a sense of progress. not hand outs.

[Maxthunder]

I didnt get that all the gear part, but having done 50+ rounds on a primal with no show for reward expect 3 full stacks of level 5 dark matter I'm kind of annoyed.

5 runs per armor piece isnt that bad though (10 pieces of gear, 50 runs) - depending on how short of a dungeon we are talking about and how hard of course (keeping in mind most dungeons will be longer in 2.0 and will level sync you so that you can't rape face).

I can understand the primals as i have done all 3 and i got every primal weapon with-in 200-300 wins. Now rare gear shouldnt be easily obtained and I believe players should put effort into it.


Now the token system could have been done differently and I mean example 1 body would cost 350 tokens 1 non body would cost 150 tokens. Yes you will still have to grind it but it dose show progress and yes players would need to put forth effort.