FFXIVARR Lower stats for token items

[Shougun]

believe me i feel you on the primals. before they put in the tokens i was over 500 runs on ifrit and still didn't have all the weapons. i wanted that last weapon so i kept running it though.

my thing is yes 1 dl drop every 5 runs is not bad, but you have to remember we have 8 people in that party. that means going by % you would only get 1 dl drop every 40 runs(8 people x 5 runs). going by that % if you wanted every piece of dl(15 pieces) it'd be around 600 runs. that's why i mentioned having a high cost of tokens to get the highly coveted gear just because you would be running hundreds of times to get everything anyways.

edit: the reason i was saying have the better gear like a darklight cuirass as able to be purchased via tokens is even if you are having a crappy time getting it to drop or lotting on it when it does at least gives you something so you can say "well my luck is crap, but i am making progress towards it slowly" even if it took 300 tokens at 1 token per run.

Yeah things shouldn't be free but you should also be able to conceptualize the light at the end the tunnel (metaphoric to each dungeon, because everyone knows mmos never end :P).

But I think we are all saying the same thing (specially now), we just want to be careful that things arent given away like candy but also not a run in the dark praying.

Awkwardly Yoshida is trying to make it another form of running in the Dark, while it appears he has removed RNG he has not. The items that drop are still randomly chosen (could get the same sword over and over) and you also have to fight over the items with your static and / or PUG.

For a static this system actually isnt that bad (people can agree on lot orders and maintain those orders through multiple runs on different days).

But for a PUG is beyond bad - really anti PUG system.

I think the simple fix is just to let the tokens buy the full gear but that it costs a lot of tokens. So while probably not wanting to run 100 times at least you know that you can get the item even if your static and ls fall apart, and you have the worst rolls in the PUG. Thats what bothers me about the primals most. Each run I do there is not a better opportunity or chance, its the same crap - at least if i KNEW I would get something then I could rationalize its worth. I'd be like hey damn 30 runs for one weapon thats a lot, but at least if all luck fails I know I'll get it.