Raid boss Drop question on translation

[Matsume]

The token system is supposed to be a back up. if you don't get your piece in the main loot pools then you at least get a little bit closer to it with tokens. this i think is what every single mention of a token system in the last couple of years has been asking for.

so having instead lesser rewards for tokens is a huge kick in the teeth. If your stuff doesnt drop then you're still no closer to it nor have you made any progress towards it. thus the token system becomes completely useless.

I don't think the token bought gear will be in any way noticably different than the legit dropped gear. Like the difference btween HQ and NQ - the only people that are going to care are the epeen mongering elitist hardcore players who think they are better than the rest for having +1 or +2 extra of any given stat.

[Tango]

They mentioned a need/greed system many times in the past. So it would be logical to assume thats what they are doing with this 3 lots per week setup. You can Need roll 3x a week total, if no one need rolls you can greed roll as many times as you want. If you roll and don't win the lot then you get tokens to save up and spend. There is going to be lockouts, and it sounds like its 3-4 runs per week max. Moderate lockouts are good there is no reason to spam a dungeon ad nauseum. Hopefully they balance it and let you re-try w/o a penalty, like you use up a run if you clear it.

[Shura]

Hope failing to clear will impose a shorter re-entry timer as opposed to when u clear, new dungeons will take time to get the hang of, will be disappointing if u can only try every 2 days or something. Primals and Darkhold have a shorter re-entry timer if u fail but AV/CC do not so hopefully all instanced content will have this feature in ARR

[NoctisUmbra]

New translation of old stuff by Rein: http://goo.gl/qAfmS

My interpretation based on all information thus far as to how the loots will work in ARR:

Sounds to me like they're completely doing away with re-entry timers and instead utilizing the new lottery timers. It makes sense. When you sit down to do a dungeon, you're not limited in how often you can do it... However, it still quite effectively limits how much loot comes out of said dungeon.

So essentially you can clear it as a party and go right back in if you like, but after 3 tries at lotting each, players individually will have no chance at rare loot.

I'd thought of it as a sort of limit of 3 per week, but after thinking of it in this sort of timer context, it seems more like you won't be limited by reentry timers, but instead once you participate in a lottery your timer for that dungeon will activate for a period of 48 hours or something, effectively preventing you from getting loot more than 3-4 times a week.

[Reinheart]

I'll post it here also for discussion purpose.
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It's from the last 4gamer interview i did quit translation yesterday... orz it was text where they talked about the main menu for the PS3 talking about the 'social' one where other interview they just mentioned it was to check friend list, linkshell, company... sorry

Should of copy/paste whole document into google doc and go through each paragraph like the other two interview orz...

Here's whole translation for that section, I'll add it to the other post so it doesn't get all mixed up.

Source: http://www.4gamer.net/games/092/G009287/20121010042/

4Gamer：
　では，それを前提に「ソーシャル」「コンテンツ」「ライブ」といったメニューに関しても教えてください。前者の2つは名称から想像できそうですね。
OK could you please explain about the menu social, contents, and live? For the first two we could probably guess from the name.

吉田氏：
　「ソーシャル」はフレンドやリンクシェル，フリーカンパニーなどのコミュニティ関連です。「コンテンツ」は「コンテンツファインダー」の呼び出しと，コンテンツごとのリワード（報酬）再取得までの期限の確認などができます。
Y: For Social it's community related stuff such as friend, linkshell or free company. For Contents when you call up the contents finder you check the time remaining to reobtain rewards for each contents.

4Gamer：
　リワードの再取得期限といいますと？
What do you mean by timing to reobtain rewards?

吉田氏：
　今回，新生FFXIVでは，ボスモンスターのレアアイテムドロップを確率で縛りつけるのではなく，ボスを倒せれば必ずなんらかの報酬が得られるようになっています。
　レアドロップも，1パーティに対して2～3個はドロップするので，それをパーティ内で抽選していただきます。その代わり，その抽選に参加する権利がコンテンツによって週3回まで，のように決まっています。そのリセットタイマーが各コンテンツに用意されるので，それの確認などですね。
　もちろん，抽選に漏れた人にはトークン（チケットのようなもの）が渡され，トークンを貯めて交換できるアイテムもあるので，結果に対して必ず成果があるようになっています。
Y: This time in ARR FFXIV instead of having percentage drop on boss monster, we have it made so when you defeat the boss monster you will get some type of reward. Even for rare drop for each party there will be 2-3 item drops, so would like to have that go through lottery within party. But to participate in that lottery it is set for each contents to 3 times per week.
For that we have reset timer available for each contents so it's to check on those status. Of course for those that didn't make the lottery will get a token (something like a ticket) and by collecting the token there are items you can trade so it's made so that there is some type of result.

4Gamer：
　確実に2～3人はレアアイテムが手に入り，ほかの人にもちゃんと報酬が用意されていると。
So there are rare items for sure for 2-3 people and for others you have other rewards prepared.

吉田氏：
　レアアイテムに関しては，運が悪いとなかなか自分に権利が回ってこないかもしれませんが，それでも週3回や4回はチャレンジできますし，それで手に入らなければ，再取得まで別のコンテンツへという形になると思います。このあたりは，実際にプレイしていただかないと，感覚としてはお伝えしにくいかもしれませんね。
For rare items if you have bad luck that privileged may not come around to you but you can challenge 3-4 times a week and if you still don't get it you can try other contents until you can try to reobtain. For this part it may be hard to understand till you actually play and try it out.

[Shougun]

So

If you use up your three tokens can you still do the dungeon or are you locked out?

If so, fix it asap parties will fall apart so fast. (It seems to read that you get 3-4 attempts and you are locked out, this stupid means static parties only, as PUGs will only be one time raids and likely go to hell after each run)

If you can stay in even though you used up all your tokens, but no one wants to use their tokens on it can you then "greed (no token lot)" loot instead of "need"? Or will there be item rot?


I think SE misunderstood us when we say we hate spamming content.

It means we hate doing the same content over and over again at the whims of the RNG - each time you go again is a new % and no bearing to the last 100 goes. Its not that we cant do content its that we hate our work being useless in the greater scheme. Cant tell you how many times I've done Ifrit and Moogle when someone screams "yes!" and I want to yank out their internet cable. (Still 0/62 Ifrit, 0/30 Moogle - yes I keep count on a paper lol)

[Reinheart]

I posted on my translation thread but I think you can still help after you finish the 3 chance to loot on your turn for others but this is bad for a pick up party or people using content finder since some people will just leave after they had their 3 turns and leave the party hanging to fill in the spot. So for these content it will require static party or people with good heart to help others after their turn.

Are tokens handed out to all those who participated or to just those who tried to loot and failed?

From older translation it seems like to all other that didn't get loot will get the token.
this translation it just says there will be rewards available for others.

[BiggLethal]

From older translation it seems like to all other that didn't get loot will get the token.
this translation it just says there will be rewards available for others.

Yeah they don't seem 100% clear on this. Since that earlier translation states that "if your luck is really bad, you may try other content in the meantime", I would gather that only the ones that loot and lose will get a token, and once those lots are up, you might as well try other content since you will get nothing after that until your timer resets.

***Scratch what I said*** Completely missed this:

- Raid bosses will always drop some type of reward - somewhere around 2~3 rare drops per party, random lotted. Even if one didn't get the rare drop, the players will be rewarded with tokens which you can then exchange for rare drops. In exchange, the chances to participate in the random lottery will be limited to 3 times per week. (Stanislaw's notes: The text in the interview here isn't really clear. What I'm assuming this means is that the chance to get that 2~3 rare drops is limited to 3 times per week, but one can still get tokens by trying the content over and over again. On the other hand, this can easily mean the return of horrid re-entry times.)

[BiggLethal]

Are tokens handed out to all those who participated or to just those who tried to loot and failed?

[NoctisUmbra]

Let me clarify my earlier interpretation since I reread it and it doesn't seem as clear as I'd like.

There will be no reentry timers. We'll be able to enter any content of this sort as often as we'd like. However, there will be lottery timers per content. Based on their mentioning of being able to participate in lottery up to 3-4 times a week, it sounds like once you participate in a lottery for one of the 3 items the boss drops, you go into a ~48 hour cooldown until you can participate in lottery for that content again.

This would limit the rare loot considerably without making people wait between runs or deal with RNG entirely. Also one can do the content as often as one likes for the token-based lesser items.

Very solid system imo.