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[Soukyuu]

Aion's graphics are better than XIVs is my own personal opinion

It's fine to have your own opinion, the problem here is that what you are mentioning as "better graphics" is actually "better engine" and "better aesthetics". Which 2.0 will (hopefully) get with ARR.

Graphics is about texture quality, details and effects you can have, while NPC display count, background drawing quality and graphics/camera lag is about how optimized the engine is. Aesthetics are something completely different and independent, namely how much attention to little details like physically correct, smooth animations, overall design of the world etc was given by the designers.

[AntonyB]

It's fine to have your own opinion, the problem here is that what you are mentioning as "better graphics" is actually "better engine" and "better aesthetics". Which 2.0 will (hopefully) get with ARR.

Graphics is about texture quality, details and effects you can have, while NPC display count, background drawing quality and graphics/camera lag is about how optimized the engine is. Aesthetics are something completely different and independent, namely how much attention to little details like physically correct, smooth animations, overall design of the world etc was given by the designers.

To be quite honest, I'm not even sure why everyone keeps bringing up aesthetics, it was nowhere in the discussion until someone brought it up, do you even know why the discussion was brought up? It was said that FFXIV is the end all be all in the "graphics" department. Also correct me if I'm wrong since I'm not a game designer, but im pretty sure it's a "graphics" unit that processes all these things, not an aesthetics unit. Either way pointless discussion that has gone on long enough, which I'm not going to continue to talk about because it seems everyone seems to know better, you know, being the internet and all.

2.0 looks amazing without a doubt, looking forward to it.

[Soukyuu]

To be quite honest, I'm not even sure why everyone keeps bringing up aesthetics, it was nowhere in the discussion until someone brought it up, do you even know why the discussion was brought up?

The one who brought it up was you -.-
I tried to explain it to you twice now, I guess I'm just bad at it.

Also correct me if I'm wrong since I'm not a game designer, but im pretty sure it's a "graphics" unit that processes all these things, not an aesthetics unit.

Yes. It still doesn't change the fact that what you see as "graphics" is composed from different components, one of them being graphic quality (=what is better in FFXIV), design consistency/quality (=aesthetics=what is better in Aion) and engine optimization (=what makes NPCs appear faster and the camera lag less)

[AntonyB]

Just posting doesn't make something an opinion or fact -- What you post does however. What you're saying in other words is you can post something like "Hey, Mcdonalds sells burgers!" and you would say that's your opinion.

Actually I would have needed to say, I KNOW Aion has better graphics to make it a statement, but seeing as I didin't it would imply that is what I THINK(personal opinion not anyone elses). Please stop trying to look good because you yourself don't even know the difference.

Let me word it for you:
Aion has better graphics - Its not stating anything, its just an opinion. Ofcourse better wording could be used tho.

MaccyDs sells burgers - Well I/u KNOW that, so would would be a statement rather than an opinion.

Please, stop trying so hard.

The one who brought it up was you -.-
I tried to explain it to you twice now, I guess I'm just bad at it.

Yes. It still doesn't change the fact that what you see as "graphics" is composed from different components, one of them being graphic quality (=what is better in FFXIV), design consistency/quality (=aesthetics=what is better in Aion) and engine optimization (=what makes NPCs appear faster and the camera lag less)

Actually original post was here:

XIV's graphics are by far the best out there for an MMO..
You can tell what fabric your clothes are made of if you look close... u can see fibers and shit..
Enviorment, weather, wall textures, plantage, mobs' details, armor glow, realistic movement,shadows, cutscenes....
Where else have you guys seen better than this game's graphics. its an MMO ffs..... chill people.

I fu**** love this game's graphics. and i dun even play ALL max!

Then I replied, because I totally started it right? You know because replying to something means starting the entire discussion? Yes people was not happy with the reply so best all shoot that person because of what they said, lol. Also even if you look he's talking about aesthetics aswell, why not jump on his ass because he confused them with graphics?! Oh right because he fanboy'd it and I didn't, heh.

[Abriael]

Aion has better graphics - Its not stating anything, its just an opinion. Ofcourse better wording could be used tho.

You can say that the sky is green with yellow polka dots, and hide between the "it's an opinion!" excuse. That dosn't make it less nonsensical.

Aion's graphics are outdated, flat and undetailed. There's absolutely no point of view under which they can be considered "better" than those you find in FFXIV, 1.0 or ARR.

[AntonyB]

You can say that the sky is green with yellow polka dots, and hide between the "it's an opinion!" excuse. That dosn't make it less nonsensical.

Aion's graphics are outdated, flat and undetailed. There's absolutely no point of view under which they can be considered "better" than those you find in FFXIV, 1.0 or ARR.

I'm sure most of these people just post to boost count or something, funny how its always the 1000+ posters that have something to say.

[Starlord]

I'm sure most of these people just post to boost count or something, funny how its always the 1000+ posters that have something to say.

and yet half of your 81 posts reside in this thread, meh

I am ungratful.. I don't deserve to be in your presence! "eats his marmot in a corner.." nom..... nom..... nom....

[Soukyuu]

Also even if you look he's talking about aesthetics aswell, why not jump on his ass because he confused them with graphics?! Oh right because he fanboy'd it and I didn't, heh.

If you think I'm jumping you, you are mistaken. If I was jumping you, I'd said something along the lines of your opinion not being an opinion.

If you see an attempt to clarify aesthetics vs graphics to you as "jumping you" then maybe you're being a bit too sensitive about it.

And the reason I didn't "jump" him is simple: I only skimmed over the post. Indirectly calling me a fanboy is rather hilarious considering some of my post on these forums, especially regarding ARR