Small Rant on Seal Rolls in Hamlet parties

[Resheph]

I wan't to talk about a looting behavior that I find disturbing.

I was in a hamlet party and before the last run, one player asked to switch his loot preference from one of the other drop items to a seal. I wasn't sure at the time why they wouldn't want seals to begin with if they still needed seals but when put to vote by the party leader, I said sure.

At the end of that run, a seal dropped and the guy who changed to seal won the roll over me by 3 points. As soon as he got the seal he gave it to another player who rolled a zero on that seal.

You might think, maybe he felt bad for the guy rolling a zero. Except, that player had already won a seal during our runs.

And while I don't hold ill will toward these two players for doing what they did since I had already won a seal tonight, I can't help but feel robbed since, without the guy who didn't need the seal rolling on it, I would have won the roll. For that matter, the other guy also rolling for seals was wronged by this.

These two players basically doubled the one guy's rolls on an item and at the same time reduced my and the other player's chance for a seal.

I know some of you are going to jump on this thread and say people can do whatever they want with their drops, but we are talking about someone who had no intention of keeping this seal adding an additional roll for his friend. This behavior is wrong and it amazes me that these two players did this right in full view. If these players had divulged what they planned to do if the guy who originally didn't want seals won a seal, I would have surely voted no and I'm sure the other player would have as well.

It is not ok to rig people's chances at drops and SE should do something to ensure this can't happen.

Honestly I have to agree with you that I think it's a bit of a dirty trick to do something like that. They may have had all the best intentions, but they still cheated the system you had set up.

The only thing you can really do is be wiser in the future. Set up your rules before you get started and take a tough stance against behavior you don't think is fair--be sure to account for this kind of thing. Make it clear that people who don't play by your rules will be kicked and not asked to return.

The group I usually do runs with has a general rule of "don't lot if you don't really need it", meaning don't even roll if it's not going to go from your loot list into your inventory towards a relic.

In my opinion, "It's my drop and I can do what I want with it." isn't a valid excuse, because the only reason to lot on a seal is to use it for the Relic quest and only the Relic quest.

Selling a seal is even worse, because the person doing this is basically turning a profit on an item earned by 7 other people and hindering someone else' progress on Relic at the same time--and if someone I'm in a party with ever does that, I'll want my cut.

If it were me, I wouldn't invite those dudes back again, and I wouldn't feel bad to kick people and break up a party because someone doesn't want to play it fair.


Edit:

One other thing worth mentioning is that people should consider whether they even want to lot on seals, depending on how serious they are about getting relic. Will you defeat Garuda and Ifrit Extreme before 2.0 is something to consider.

Personally, I've chosen not to work on Relic until 2.0 is released because the quest should be different by then and I am willing to wait and see if it is something I want to do at that point. Right now? No. So when I do Hamlet, I don't lot on seals (just gear), and I would be pissed if someone present either exploited dice rolls like this or sold a seal and profited from the generosity of my help.