Dearest Square Enix, about this 15 minute timer...

[Mijin]

You're assuming of course that people are quickly clearing the content. The majority will be raiiding for 2x the time of the wait.

But for the speed runners out there that want to play non-stop AV and CC can be rotated, or you can do CC or AV in 17 minutes, go kill Garuda and go back to CC with a small 5 min rest in between.

Hiir

Even if people aren't quickly clearing content, that doesn't change my opinion that people are capable of choosing their own break times, and don't meed to be forced into it as if they were children.

You have to farm AV's Mithrils and turn them in before you can move on to CC. Can't farm both at the same time. Most people only care about killing Garuda for the relic quest these days.

Hiir

[HiirNoivl]

You have to farm AV's Mithrils and turn them in before you can move on to CC. Can't farm both at the same time. Most people only care about killing Garuda for the relic quest these days.

Durr

What about Darklight?
Or maybe one of your members might be on CC?
Or maybe your doing nothing is more your fault than SE's.

[Mijin]

What about Darklight? Hurr :P
Or maybe one of your members might be on CC? Durr.
Or maybe your doing nothing is more your fault than SE's. Herp de Derp

So basically you're saying that people should bounce between doing AV and CC to cheat their way out of the 15 minute cool down. Got it. Thanks for supporting my point that the cool down is unnecessary. Kind of makes those "hurrs" and "durrrs" sound quite authentic doesn't it?

If you feel like you need the supervision to take a break every 15 minutes ask one of your parents to help remind you. I don't.

[HiirNoivl]

Well, sorry here's what I'm reading.

"I hate the 15 minute timer. I don't want to take a break from the game and sit there and do nothing."

"Well here some things you can do..."

"I don't want to do those things..."

"..."


How is this SE's fault again? I don't get it. Sorry. Go do a caravan those are 15 mins. You've forgotten that the whole 15 minute timer thing was more for server congestion than anything else? Instances can only support a certain number of parties. (remember Darnus?) That's not happening now, of course, but let's be optimistic

[Arkine]

I'd rather see dungeons being expanded into 1-2 hour runs with a long cool down and a better drop system.

Cutter's Cry: infinite timer, 1 hour minimum to clear, 2 hours cool down, token system, more tokens for clearing extra rooms/bosses and so on. If done right everybody will have a sense of achievement and some endgame armor by the time more content is in game.

Beats the hell out of repeating the same 20min run 10 times a day and never being any closer to getting what you're after.

[Firon]

I'd rather see dungeons being expanded into 1-2 hour runs with a long cool down and a better drop system.

Cutter's Cry: infinite timer, 1 hour minimum to clear, 2 hours cool down, token system, more tokens for clearing extra rooms/bosses and so on. If done right everybody will have a since of achievement and some endgame armor by the time more content is in game.

Beats the hell out of repeating the same 20min run 10 times a day and never being any closer to getting what you're after.

This is what i want.

[HiirNoivl]

Maybe we could get it once they fix the crappy server system. Expanding the amount of parties that can go in the instance at once could allow to eliminate cool downs completely and/or allow for very long raids.

EDIT: Dev Response pl0x

EDIT 2: My name is pronounced Hear No Evil. Hear. Not Hurr. lol Sometimes I put my name (unnecessarily) at the bottom of messages. Since you were confused, and thought I was making fun of you, I have removed it.

[Churchill]

I'm nearing 600 AV/CC runs and I can count the number of Darklight pieces I've seen drop on 2 hands and I can remember them all in the order that they dropped.

They couldn't make the drop rate lower than what it is.

[Mijin]

Well, sorry here's what I'm reading.

"I hate the 15 minute timer. I don't want to take a break from the game and sit there and do nothing."

"Well here some things you can do..."

"I don't want to do those things..."

How is this SE's fault again? I don't get it. Sorry. Go do a caravan those are 15 mins. You've forgotten that the whole 15 minute timer thing was more for server congestion than anything else? Instances can only support a certain number of parties. (remember Darnus?) That's not happening now, of course, but let's be optimistic

I want to be able to choose how to spend my playtime myself. I don't want to be given an ultimatum to either do things I don't want to do, or sit there and wait. Most MMO's have cool downs preventing you from entering, 24 hours, a week, etc. SE decided to opt out of that by giving us a mini timer and super low drop rates, but considering the dungeons are so short, the 15 minute timer just ends up being annoying and unnecessary.

You may be right that they are using the 15 min cool down as a ghetto way to prevent server congestion, but in the past they've openly stated the reason was to force players to take a break. I wouldn't put it past them to just be using that as an excuse, but then again, I know some countries actually do have laws restricting playtime on online games, so that could be the case as well. If it is because of the servers, then with the new servers that they're promising in ARR it would be a wonderful opportunity to fix the issue, but I'm sure that they plan on keeping some sort of cooldown timers.

EDIT 2: My name is pronounced Hear No Evil. Hear. Not Hurr. lol Sometimes I put my name (unnecessarily) at the bottom of messages. Since you were confused, and thought I was making fun of you, I have removed it.

Sorry, I didn't notice that your name had hiir in it until after. I thought you were saying "hiir" as in like hurr durr or something so I took offense.

[HiirNoivl]

Mijin, a lot of 1.0 is ghetto.

I'll find the post later but in the patch notes for Darkhold it says that there's a set (probably pathetically low) number of parties that can enter. I remember clearly that this was the reason for the timer. (I also think that server issues were worse back then than they are now since now we have ARR server to prop up the current monstrosity that is currently Ul'dah and also Atomos and the freakish melt down of Balmung's Garuda instance.)

Later days.