Bullying on FFXIV

[Yves]

Unfortunately by that logic we should always use pseudonyms in everything we do in life do to the risk of one nutcase using that information nefariously. In these conversations what we must realize is the not only will the victims name be known, but so would the bullier. i firmly believe that removing the wall of anonymity would force people to actually think about their actions in a real life consequential matter.

I don't think that she is saying this. What I think Amy is trying to say is that there are safer alternatives then placing information into a public pool. She's right, too - there are alternatives. This is why police encounters in the United States are kept fairly private. True, some information is available via public records (states differ) but it isn't as vast and detailed as people suspect.

Here's a better way of looking at her argument:

There are safer alternatives than full public disclosure
Full disclosure is an option but public disclosure puts individuals at risk
This risk is unnecessary due to alternatives
Therefore, alternatives ought to be utilized

[AmyNeudaiz]

I don't think that she is saying this. What I think Amy is trying to say is that there are safer alternatives then placing information into a public pool. She's right, too - there are alternatives. This is why police encounters in the United States are kept fairly private. True, some information is available via public records (states differ) but it isn't as vast and detailed as people suspect.

Here's a better way of looking at her argument:

There are safer alternatives than full public disclosure
Full disclosure is an option but public disclosure puts individuals at risk
This risk is unnecessary due to alternatives
Therefore, alternatives ought to be utilized

Nailed it on the dot, thank you for getting it.

[strallaalaa]

i say lets give the power to decide to the corporations that run our games, i mean it's not like they don't have our best interests and not do anything to get the most money output from it. then the sheeples can be happy.

[Aethelinda]

I just have to say this:
Love this song and we should liste to it form time to time

NICKELBACK - IF EVERYONE CARED LYRICS

"If everyone cared and nobody cried
If everyone loved and nobody lied
If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
Then we'd see the day when nobody died"

[Jadi]

Cyber bullying is a bullshit politician term used to enact laws against internet free speech. I'm sad you fell prey to their propaganda. Be a bigger person and just ignore it. It can't hurt you if you don't let it because YOU are the one in control of YOUR emotions.

[Yves]

Cyber bullying is a bullshit politician term used to enact laws against internet free speech. I'm sad you fell prey to their propaganda. Be a bigger person and just ignore it. It can't hurt you if you don't let it because YOU are the one in control of YOUR emotions.

Which free speech laws are you referencing? If you're a U.S. Citizen I highly suggest that you take a gander at our founding documents and some of the hearings that have occurred.

[Jadi]

Which free speech laws are you referencing? If you're a U.S. Citizen I highly suggest that you take a gander at our founding documents and some of the hearings that have occurred.

Oh yes, they pay sooo much attention to that don't they. rofl.

I want to add here that people understand also that when someone runs around and /laughs at you or something that in the silent public eye they look like an ass and they loose credibility. The attacker always looses in the eye of public opinion next to the peacemaker.

I'd be so lucky to have ppl I don't like do this to me.. it'd give me enormous cache.

[Yves]

Oh yes, they pay sooo much attention to that don't they. rofl.

I want to add here that people understand also that when someone runs around and /laughs at you or something that in the silent public eye they look like an ass and they loose credibility. The attacker always looses in the eye of public opinion next to the peacemaker.

I'd be so lucky to have ppl I don't like do this to me.. it'd give me enormous cache.

1. What does the first line mean? What are you trying to imply? I'm asking because it is unclear.
2. No, this is incorrect. You are talking about stigma and it is a very real sociological concept. Take the McCarthy Trials, for example. Many of those accused of communism never recovered despite the fact that they were clearly innocent. But, because the accusation was made and repeated, people were flagged in society as "red."

FFXI is another fantastic example of stigma. Was the game horrid at launch? Yup. Did it suck for another 8 months? Sure did. But was the game playable and even fairly enjoyable at the time that 1.23a hit? For the most part, yeah. But did we have people frequently posting that the game was "unplayable" and referencing the old market wards? Yeah, we did despite the fact that many of the qualms had been remedied. In fact, there is a post on here from just the other day that committed this!

The point is that stigma is a real thing and once someone is "branded" and the public accepts it the "brand" becomes real. This is what bullying does - it creates a stigma.

[Jadi]

1. What does the first line mean? What are you trying to imply? I'm asking because it is unclear.
2. No, this is incorrect. You are talking about stigma and it is a very real sociological concept. Take the McCarthy Trials, for example. Many of those accused of communism never recovered despite the fact that they were clearly innocent. But, because the accusation was made and repeated, people were flagged in society as "red."

FFXI is another fantastic example of stigma. Was the game horrid at launch? Yup. Did it suck for another 8 months? Sure did. But was the game playable and even fairly enjoyable at the time that 1.23a hit? For the most part, yeah. But did we have people frequently posting that the game was "unplayable" and referencing the old market wards? Yeah, we did despite the fact that many of the qualms had been remedied. In fact, there is a post on here from just the other day that committed this!

The point is that stigma is a real thing and once someone is "branded" and the public accepts it the "brand" becomes real. This is what bullying does - it creates a stigma.

If you think the government gives one shit about the constitution you are sorely mistaken. 90% of what the federal government does is unconstitutional.

"Stigma".. lol bullshit.. I've been in the public eye before in my life more than once and I've seen the worst said about me. I speak from experience.. My reaction to hate and threats has always been the opposite of what the attackers intend and it's always blown up in their face. People ask me about this shit privately from time to time.. They say "such and such says this, whats the deal?" I shrug and say, thats what they say isn't it. :-) ..well ya know I can't do much about what they say... but here is what really went down.. as far as I know I've never had anyone not believe me.. ppl seem to know the truth when they hear it.

Slanderous attacks don't work because people don't reciprocate or enjoy negativity by in large.. if you have positive responses to them then it turns around on people like a mirror. Take my word for it. You don't need to fear this kind of thing because it does more harm to the person initiating it. Be confident and know yourself and and you'll be fine.

Some Bully has just trashed your reputation, all because it makes him feel better/important/usefull
This may or may not cause problems for you the next time you are looking for a party

They can't trash your reputation.. because your reputation comes from your own actions. This is just fear getting to you.

[Valmonte]

Which free speech laws are you referencing? If you're a U.S. Citizen I highly suggest that you take a gander at our founding documents and some of the hearings that have occurred.

i always have a laugh at folks who take the whole free speech out of context, however he is quite correct about the Anti-CyberBullie movement trying to impose unfair and unjustified censorship/tracking on the internet, even the MPAA/RIAA have started using it as a benefit to censorship/tracking and blacklisting of the internet.

One word to families in tears over there kids taking there own life, the bullies didn't do it. if anything the parents are to blame even more for lack of involvement in there child's day to day life.