Bullying on FFXIV

[Aethelinda]

What exactly did he/they do ?

One of the problems with games like this, is you have people from many different cultures. And, something that might seem harmless or funny to me might be offensive to someone else.

I for one, am sick and tired of Political Correctness. As far as I'm concerned, it's a form of censorship. If you do / say something stupid, I ain't gonna sit back and hold my tongue.

This is a game, but people really do need to try to be more respectful and helpful towards others.

Well I can't say much because of the forums rules but is pretty much what they tend to do to. He called him names and then pointed at him to make sure everyone knew about who he was talking about. I mean, he could have stayed on the party chat or his ls chat but he decided to make sure everyone noticed him to embarrass the guy. He doesn't have a clean record neither however even with a clean record no one should feel the right to make anyone feel bad. That's playing with emotions and exactly like you said, not respecting.

[Gramul]

Blacklist the fool, dude.

You are not looking at the big picture; if everyone had to show who they where they would be far less likely to grief, and could actually face legal punishment easier when necessary.

Yeah, that ain't gonna fly. Animosity is one of the best and worst parts of the internet. Take it away and people get pissed. Gotta take the good with the bad. Thicken your skin, and deal with the jerks.

[strallaalaa]

i know right, all this bullying in mmo's makes me want to quit and just do house work all day.

in gw2 you can get banned just for saying things in shouts, fact you can get people banned by just saying they did something with a few friends witch is messed up! personally too uptight, it's just a video game, use blacklist and move on. this isn't a childs mmo like lego universe, it's for many types of people. though i do agree bullying is wrong, but gimmie a break with all this bully stuff that is going around, first lets let the world stop bullying each other then we can worry about making a few peoples little worlds just right to live in. i'm very nice in game and out and don't talk under my breath or anything like that but things like this gets out of hand as much as the bullying these days.(fact i was probably bullied as a kid a lot and not broken over it) don't censor people over it, just don't roll with them. i get it, its' 2012 and things people did in the 90's would turn into a big ol news cast on tv and thousands of pitch forks but it's the internet. bullying wrong, and so is trying to change people for your own satisfaction.

[Gramul]

But that's the best thing about being online. They can't follow you if you leave.
And giving them attention only fuels their emotional sadism.

[Preypacer]

The easiest and best solution to stop cyber bullying is to take the anonymity out of the web. Blizzard's Real Id plan was great unfortunately they caved to the pressure of people suddenly realizing they may have to own up top the things they said online.

It's not all about "people not wanting to own up to things they say online". Some people genuinely don't want their real identity getting out for any number of reasons.

How many times have you heard, or maybe even witnessed someone stalking another player online? Maybe a guy obsessing over a female player, or some other combination? It's bad enough that they have to deal with it in-game, but at least it's kept in-game. Imagine that stalker having access to the player's real name? There are ways of obtaining people's info on the web - unfortunately, even without their consent - and that kind of info would be a huge help to someone trying to do so.

How about someone who hasn't said anything abusive or wrong to someone else in the game, but simply became a victim of someone else who is rather unstable and decided to lash out at them over a simple disagreement, making all manner of threats against them, etc? I've seen that happen as well. Imagine that kind of person having access to your actual info?

How about the very simple idea of people valuing their privacy online and having the right to control who does or doesn't know their real name/identity?

It's easy to be cynical and think anyone against a Real ID type setup is "just trying to avoid owning up to their behavior online". But it's also very lazy and rather intellectually dishonest to do so. It takes very little time or energy to imagine a variety of situations where a person might want to keep their identity private for purely genuine and respectable reasons.

There was an incident a few years back where two arch rivals in the game Lineage 2 met at a real-life meet-up. They got into an altercation, and one of them ended up dead. Over a game. There have been other examples of people carrying out violent acts in real life over in-game dramas or situations. So it's not at all outside the realm of possibility for it to happen.

The solution to people acting like jackasses, or socio-pathic idiots in-game is to have a setup where players are accountable for their actions and behavior in-game. Final Fantasy XI managed this beautifully because it put a high value on community (server-wide community, not "your linkshell"). If you were a jerk to people, your reputation would get around and you'd become unwanted in groups, linkshells, etc. Your actions and attitude would catch up with you, for better or worse. This worked beautifully in XI and resulted in many people either having to clean up their act, switch servers or leave the game entirely. No real names were required.

[Aethelinda]

pics or it didn't happen
really what did you see / hear ?

Maybe it was a misunderstanding misinterptretation

I can tell you right now this language barrier / auto translate dictionary is not contributing to MY enjoyment of the game.

NA server FTW

LOL! :P
Well pics not worth it. Is going to create drama and the point of the post is not to create one. Also I would become the bully for making everyone see who is actually the one I'm talking about. I'm pretty sure the victim will not appreciate it neither. Now that I think of it, it would be a good idea to make a thread of screenshots with bullies that we find on the server, the only fair part would be that it is the victims choice to post it or not.

I definitely agree on the language barrier. Also text or written words got no emotions. People might be type something that looks too cold or harsh and it is not their intentions.

[Jaimie]

Well I can't say much because of the forums rules but is pretty much what they tend to do to. He called him names and then pointed at him to make sure everyone knew about who he was talking about. I mean, he could have stayed on the party chat or his ls chat but he decided to make sure everyone noticed him to embarrass the guy. He doesn't have a clean record neither however even with a clean record no one should feel the right to make anyone feel bad. That's playing with emotions and exactly like you said, not respecting.

I hate bullys, want me to make a char on your server and give him a good smack ?

here's my BOT macro I use when ever I see a BOT

/beckon motion
/em gives <t> a smack to the side of the head.

I'll add this for the bullys

/fume motion
/em kicks <t> in the nuts.

Now if it were me who was bullied, I'd plan some revenge, maybe join a AF run he needs and get everyone wiped.
Muhahahaha


Someone earlier said to ignore the bullies. I don't think that's a good idea. They may leave their current target alone. But a bully is a bully for life, so they'll just move on to someone else. If you don't want to stand up for yourself. Think of the next person the bully might go after.

[Keisuna]

It's not all about "people not wanting to own up to things they say online". Some people genuinely don't want their real identity getting out for any number of reasons.

How many times have you heard, or maybe even witnessed someone stalking another player online? Maybe a guy obsessing over a female player, or some other combination? It's bad enough that they have to deal with it in-game, but at least it's kept in-game. Imagine that stalker having access to the player's real name? There are ways of obtaining people's info on the web - unfortunately, even without their consent - and that kind of info would be a huge help to someone trying to do so.

How about someone who hasn't said anything abusive or wrong to someone else in the game, but simply became a victim of someone else who is rather unstable and decided to lash out at them over a simple disagreement, making all manner of threats against them, etc? I've seen that happen as well. Imagine that kind of person having access to your actual info?

How about the very simple idea of people valuing their privacy online and having the right to control who does or doesn't know their real name/identity?

It's easy to be cynical and think anyone against a Real ID type setup is "just trying to avoid owning up to their behavior online". But it's also very lazy and rather intellectually dishonest to do so. It takes very little time or energy to imagine a variety of situations where a person might want to keep their identity private for purely genuine and respectable reasons.

There was an incident a few years back where two arch rivals in the game Lineage 2 met at a real-life meet-up. They got into an altercation, and one of them ended up dead. Over a game. There have been other examples of people carrying out violent acts in real life over in-game dramas or situations. So it's not at all outside the realm of possibility for it to happen.

The solution to people acting like jackasses, or socio-pathic idiots in-game is to have a setup where players are accountable for their actions and behavior in-game. Final Fantasy XI managed this beautifully because it put a high value on community (server-wide community, not "your linkshell"). If you were a jerk to people, your reputation would get around and you'd become unwanted in groups, linkshells, etc. Your actions and attitude would catch up with you, for better or worse. This worked beautifully in XI and resulted in many people either having to clean up their act, switch servers or leave the game entirely. No real names were required.

THANK YOU.

Putting real info up for anyone to see is dangerous and will do just as much damage, if not more, than any good it will do.

[Elexia]

I was actually going to post that pic. Good finding lol. From 1 to 10 well not as much as the person who was been bullying probably but thanks for asking.

This is one of the very trolls you stated not to feed, btw.

It's not all about "people not wanting to own up to things they say online". Some people genuinely don't want their real identity getting out for any number of reasons.

I can promise you there's a lot less people worried about this than there are the people who don't want to own up for their shit.

Hiding your real identity is all well and good, but when its linked to you you are much less likely to be a douche.

[Preypacer]

You are not looking at the big picture; if everyone had to show who they where they would be far less likely to grief, and could actually face legal punishment easier when necessary.

You assume everyone thinks, or even cares about the possible ramifications of their actions.

Have you ever seen some of the stupid crap people will pull, and then seem surprised - or worse, completely unaffected - when they're caught?

Implementing a system on the assumption that it's going to be an effective deterrent for everyone is rather naive.

Some people simply don't care. Some think it's funny, or even cool when they're busted. There's a lot of very unstable people out there. And yes, some of them do play MMOs.