Fix Hamlet Please?

[Wynn]

and you're not understanding one major point, either. with the way things currently work, making rank 2 easier to get to in order to make militia gear easier to obtain also makes seals easier to obtain as well. that can't and won't happen.

so if militia gear is what you actually want, you're asking for the wrong solution. making rank 2 easier to get isn't the way. making militia gear easier to obtain with rank 1 *is*

You do have a point. And I certainly don't advocate making relic easier. That is something that should absolutely be difficult.

I did hear that they were planning to make hamlet go all the way to rank 5 though so maybe they could push relic out further in the line and then adjust the required contributions accordingly so that people just wanting to enjoy hamlet don't have to stop at the snoozefest that is rank 1.

[Miste]

and you're not understanding one major point, either. with the way things currently work, making rank 2 easier to get to in order to make militia gear easier to obtain also makes seals easier to obtain as well. that can't and won't happen.

so if militia gear is what you actually want, you're asking for the wrong solution. making rank 2 easier to get isn't the way. making militia gear easier to obtain with rank 1 *is*

Actually, it is sad that you and some others do not realize that making Rank 2 easier to obtain since not enough people provision anymore will be no different than how it was when it came out. Cause guess what? Back then a lot of people provisioned and then everyone did Rank 2's even if they did not contribute any/a lot of points. Now not enough people provision so Hamlet never gets to Rank 2 so it is actually HARDER than before to obtain seals lol. Making it turn to Rank 2 easier makes it go back to the rate of seal obtaining it was before. So it DOES NOT MAKE IT EASIER TO OBTAIN SEALS, it just goes back to how it was before! It's not rocket science.

Honestly, too many people get so butthurt thinking that "OMG someone is gonna get something easier than me! QQ!" that they cannot actually see that what I am saying does not make obtaining seals easier.

Is it still possible to obtain the score required? What is the modifier for rank 2 vs rank 1? Sorry, I stopped doing Hamlet a while ago and also have very little experience with rank 1.

You do not get a x2 modifier for Rank 1. It's x1....so you get half the points you would get in a Rank 2.
So if you normally get say 68k in a Rank 2, you'd only get 34k in a Rank 1.

[Ikkenoe]

Actually, it is sad that you and some others do not realize that making Rank 2 easier to obtain since not enough people provision anymore will be no different than how it was when it came out.

we understand perfectly well- but you need to get your head out of your arse and pay attention to what people are saying. so let me break it down for you. and read it a few times and process it before you respond.

people compete for top provisioner no matter what. top provisioner gets seals whether rank 1 or rank 2. more players needing more seals leads to higher demand and higher competition for top provisioner. this means more turn ins are required to get the top spot, and as a side effect the 3 mil points necessary for rank 2 was achieved with far more frequency. 60k point runs are considered necessary for a legitimate shot at seals without top provisioner. 60k point runs aren't possible in rank 1 hamlet. with more competition for top provisioner leading to more rank 2 hamlets, more people had opportunities for more 60k runs and by proxy more seal drops.

without as many people doing hamlet, there are less people competing (and competing less fiercely) for top provisioner so it requires less points to get it. less total turn ins for less points leads to not always having enough to bump hamlet to rank 2. with rank 1 hamlet 60k runs are impossible and generally the only people getting seals are top provisioners.

when seals/hamlet were more desired and there was more competition, everyone benefited by proxy because rank 2 was more common and they could still get 60k runs for seals without top provisioners. the only caveat was dragging your butt to hamlets and grinding it out. now that it's less desired, rank 2 is less common and it's not anyone else's fault if people didn't take advantage for the *many months* rank 2 was still commonplace.

your request to lower requirements to reaching rank 2 will have little (if any) impact on the competition for top provisioner, but that isn't the point. that will fluctuate regardless and people will compete for that regardless. however it will have a noticeable impact on the number of people obtaining seals without nearly the same effort. before, *someone* always had to carry to load to get rank 2 and those people spent a buttload of time/money getting top prov to guarantee their own seals. now with lower demand, people don't have to spend nearly as much time or money comparatively to get top prov.

you're effectively asking for *everyone* to reap the same benefits (rank 2 and 60k runs after a few players worked their butts off for top prov, bumping hamlet to rank 2 in the first place) with far, far less time/money/effort. and under what pretense? because with only a month left before servers are down, even though everyone had many months prior to get what they wanted- you/they suddenly feel a sense of entitlement? your justification is that other people already got theirs so it shouldn't matter that others get theirs for less?

"but we have a life, we can't play 24/7" isn't an argument, either. plenty of people got their seals and gear with full time jobs and/or school back when rank 2 was all but guaranteed. and while it's unfortunate some people have been unlucky on seal or gear drops, that isn't the fault of the community.

so what does the community stand to gain by making seals easier than ever to obtain, considering relic quest is supposed to be grindy and expensive and long and difficult? especially when the questline itself ended up being easier than the devs or community had anticipated?

and it's supposed to be made even easier for the last month just so some people who are late to the party can get what they feel entitled to?

nope. get out of here with that mess. a month to go or not, making seals easier to come by is a bad idea, and can't/won't happen. and if what you say is true and this isn't really about seals, then...

making rank 2 easier to get isn't the answer. making rank 2 easier makes not only militia gear easier to get but also seals. making seals easier to get makes relic easier to get. making relic easier to get isn't the way. and if militia gear is what you want, making seals easier to get isn't the way. if militia gear is what you want, the only logical, reasonable thing to ask for is for militia gear to be easier to get. and the way to do this is to request militia gear requirements to be adjusted so they're more possible with rank 1 hamlet.

this will have no impact on seals/relic quest and still get you what you claim you're after.

if you continue to disagree and continue to push the issue, repeating yourself about rank 2 needing to be easier to get- you're either too busy flailing with entitlement to pay attention to exactly what's being said, or you're lying about wanting militia gear in the first place and just using it as AN EXCUSE so you won't look like a selfish ass requesting hamlet seals to be made ezmode just for you and your friends.

dig?

[Miste]

hamlet seals to be made ezmode just for you and your friends.

This line proves you did not really read what I have been saying lol, you are just coming off as another "OMG someone is gonna get something easier than me!" QQer. Even though seals are already easy as crap to get on my server lol it is ALREADY broken ok? dig? I guess you did not check the image I posted. GUESS WHAT? To all those who spent tons of gil/time to donate 2-3mil points, check my image. That person got all 3 of their seals for 200k points and it also is not the first time top spot has been that low. You keep saying making relic easier is not the answer and omg you cannot make it easier to get seals for relic because too many people did it the hard way. To the people who made a CHOICE to do it that way, that is great, but you cannot blame your decision on everyone else. It was YOUR choice to do it that way. So as this other guy said, stop being bitter about a decision you made yourself and was not forced on you in any way shape or form. SEALS ARE ALREADY EASIER TO GET. So again, making it turn Rank 2 sooner so that people can still enjoy a normal Hamlet run with actual rewards that make it worth it to do MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO THE RELIC OR SEALS. Why have content that you cannot do unless the rest of the server feels like it too?

Do me a favour, explain to me how leaving Hamlet at Rank 1 and only requiring around 200k points for the top spot is making relics harder? Maybe that will get your head out of your arse?

[Ikkenoe]

SEALS ARE ALREADY EASIER TO GET. So again, making it turn Rank 2 sooner so that people can still enjoy a normal Hamlet run with actual rewards that make it worth it to do MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO THE RELIC OR SEALS. Why have content that you cannot do unless the rest of the server feels like it too?

Do me a favour, explain to me how leaving Hamlet at Rank 1 and only requiring around 200k points for the top spot is making relics harder? Maybe that will get your head out of your arse?

are you so bent on repeating yourself that you REFUSE to process a single thing anyone else says if it in any way contradicts you? (obviously the answer is yes)

rank 1 = 1-3 people have a legitimate chance at seals.
rank 2 = *every single person participating* has a legitimate chance at seals.

MATHS R HARDS HOW DOES I COUNT THE THINGZ

it's not rocket science. either you understand this and accept this thereby acknowledging the logic of what i've said based upon it, or you continue to project and deflect and underscore the ever-increasingly obvious fact that you don't care about fact, logic or reality and are instead hellbent on regurgitating your agenda at any cost

[viion]

Just remember, the reward system is being overhauled in 2.0 with more things moving to token, maybe Hamlets will get thrown into that system, why not just wait until then? When you can do it on a new system and people retry stuff and new people come, then you will have people who dont care about the rank and new people who will try it, a bit like how it was before.

I understand that it is stressful no one wants to do Hamlet which basically means you cant do it, but its like that for lots of content, why should Hamlet get an nerf.

Just wait it out till 2.0, why the rush XD

[Reika]

"Fixing" this should come after 2.0.

Otherwise it's a slap in the face to anyone who did actually spend millions on getting Hamlets to rank 2.

It was no fair to the people who spent millions on shards and crystals and dealt with very low exp rates while leveling up crafts before they changed it, but they changed it...... leave those arguments out. I bet there will be many elements about the current version that will be changed in ARR that will make people think 'man I put all this time into this and now they make it easier?!', well they have been doing that since this game started to be reformed. Every MMO does it eventually. And like one said people didnt spend millions to rank it to 3, they spend it for 1st place.

It would be better if they never made it 3 million points to begin with, but then, SE doesn't think of everything, just like none of us think of everything.

They need to lower the points needed to rank up the hamlet by about half.

[Felis]

If it's only about gear, like the militia harness, and it don't drop in tier 1 harmlet, SE could change it that it drop in tier 1.
But without to change the requirement for seals.

Tier 1 is good, too. If you still need to get the "DoW & DoM only" or "Dol & DoH only" archievements

[PSxpert2011]

Okay, just to help end this quickly and quietly:
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In short, while it is possible that you could finish this before the month is up it is highly improbable. Therefore, such a request ought to be left alone.

I've done Hamlet only once, no drop, no seals(just anima). I did get some achievement for scoring over 30K or something IDK. How consistent do I have to be on Hamlet if I just go as PLD?

No DoH/ DoL here atm(a shame) v.v

[Vaer]

Hey guys, I know it's foreign to think there is other stuff in this game than unique snowflake relics but seriously. It's a request to actually have a "legitimate chance" at militia gear instead of garbage fireworks from rank 1. That's it.

So it's selfish to want a chance at militia gear but it's not selfish to block people from seals that only start the relic quest?

Ok then.