Fix Hamlet Please?

[Yves]

Okay, just to help end this quickly and quietly:

There is a month left. If you were to get them all their seals it is still improbable that you will complete all the other legs of the quest done. I'm not saying it isn't possible - there are groups that do this enough and with superb efficiency. But if these players waited until now to get to the hamlet point then I doubt they have the experience and cohesion to complete the ores, salts, extreme, and everything else in ~30 days. This is factoring in the fact that you stated multiple people.

In short, while it is possible that you could finish this before the month is up it is highly improbable. Therefore, such a request ought to be left alone.

[Miste]

Okay, just to help end this quickly and quietly:

There is a month left. If you were to get them all their seals it is still improbable that you will complete all the other legs of the quest done. I'm not saying it isn't possible - there are groups that do this enough and with superb efficiency. But if these players waited until now to get to the hamlet point then I doubt they have the experience and cohesion to complete the ores, salts, extreme, and everything else in ~30 days. This is factoring in the fact that you stated multiple people.

In short, while it is possible that you could finish this before the month is up it is highly improbable. Therefore, such a request ought to be left alone.

Another person who does not get it.

I am just talking about doing the content available. Hamlets not going to Rank 2 means no one does them which means we aren't enjoying the content. It is something to WORK on, not rush to finish. I did not even ONCE say anything about finishing relics BEFORE 2.0. Just that people still need stuff from Hamlet (GEAR TOO, its not all about seals) and it would be nice to have more opportunities to work on the content and not be limited by it not being Rank 2.

[Yves]

Another person who does not get it.

I am just talking about doing the content available. Hamlets not going to Rank 2 means no one does them which means we aren't enjoying the content. It is something to WORK on, not rush to finish. I did not even ONCE say anything about finishing relics BEFORE 2.0. Just that people still need stuff from Hamlet (GEAR TOO, its not all about seals) and it would be nice to have more opportunities to work on the content and not be limited by it not being Rank 2.

My apologies and my mistake. Still, I'm not so sure that I would support this. The people who are struggling to get into the content either a) neglected to do it until now or b) are newer and were not capable of doing it before. Either route, they simply missed the timing. And, while kind of a bummer, it is justifiable that it remain as is.

[Wynn]

My apologies and my mistake. Still, I'm not so sure that I would support this. The people who are struggling to get into the content either a) neglected to do it until now or b) are newer and were not capable of doing it before. Either route, they simply missed the timing. And, while kind of a bummer, it is justifiable that it remain as is.

This content shouldn't have a small window of timing to remain enjoyable or even to be enjoyed in the first place. It is obvious the original design was meant for extremely heavy use by people with infinite money to burn and not the every day use by normal players that would result once the newness wore off. This is a problem and it is not how SE or any developer should be designing content for their games.

[Yves]

This content shouldn't have a small window of timing to remain enjoyable or even to be enjoyed in the first place. It is obvious the original design was meant for extremely heavy use by people with infinite money to burn and not the every day use by normal players that would result once the newness wore off. This is a problem and it is not how SE or any developer should be designing content for their games.

Honestly, dude? The whole relic quest is garbage to begin with. But I don't think they had much choice. We wanted content (justifiably so) while they completed 2.0. Realistically this content couldn't be too in-depth due to resources. It also needed to fill a void while they finished ARR. The result? A craptastic grindfest designed to burn time and keep people occupied. Seriously, take a look at the quest itself.

1a. Obtain 25k marks for key item
1b. Obtain 3 seals from each hamlet
-low drop rate, divided by 8 potential players, multiplied by 3
1c. Double-meld
-low success rate for meld
-moderate success rate for actual base weapon
-heavy time investment for mats or heavy gil investment

And that's just the first leg and I'm being really conservative. Is this good content? Not by a longshot. This is horrid, to be honest. What I'm saying is that this wasn't meant for heavy use people - it was meant to keep people busy and distracted. And it's crap.

[Wynn]

Honestly, dude? The whole relic quest is garbage to begin with. But I don't think they had much choice. We wanted content (justifiably so) while they completed 2.0. Realistically this content couldn't be too in-depth due to resources. It also needed to fill a void while they finished ARR. The result? A craptastic grindfest designed to burn time and keep people occupied. Seriously, take a look at the quest itself.

1a. Obtain 25k marks for key item
1b. Obtain 3 seals from each hamlet
-low drop rate, divided by 8 potential players, multiplied by 3
1c. Double-meld
-low success rate for meld
-moderate success rate for actual base weapon
-heavy time investment for mats or heavy gil investment

And that's just the first leg and I'm being really conservative. Is this good content? Not by a longshot. This is horrid, to be honest. What I'm saying is that this wasn't meant for heavy use people - it was meant to keep people busy and distracted. And it's crap.

Hamlet is stand alone content that just happens to be a stop in the relic path. It isn't all about relic. There are other reasons to do hamlets.

But it is a problem that people are largely only doing it for relic because when they move on the requirements are too high to get Hamlet to rank 2. Therefore people coming into the game or not at a point where they could do hamlet when it was steamrolled by the vets don't get to even enjoy it, let alone work on their own relics when that time comes. So SE either needs to give better incentive to still do hamlet or lower/change the reqs to advance it. Maybe something similar to how besieged works but further improved upon.

If this were just filler content, I would be inclined to not care either, but it's not filler. Hamlets will be content in ARR. Unfortunately they will only be lively for about 2 months and then die off again because the reqs are too high for the people that want to still do it or are wanting to do it for the first time.

@Zumi: I'm not really sure how much if any of the hamlet content is being redone. In fact, I'd really love to read any info on changes that might occur if anyone knows of some official snippets. What I do know, however, is that it is carrying over into ARR and it should be something people can still enjoy after the first couple months.

[Yves]

Hamlet is stand alone content that just happens to be a stop in the relic path. It isn't all about relic. There are other reasons to do hamlets.

But it is a problem that people are largely only doing it for relic because when they move on the requirements are too high to get Hamlet to rank 2. Therefore people coming into the game or not at a point where they could do hamlet when it was steamrolled by the vets don't get to even enjoy it, let alone work on their own relics when that time comes. So SE either needs to give better incentive to still do hamlet or lower/change the reqs to advance it. Maybe something similar to how besieged works but further improved upon.

If this were just filler content, I would be inclined to not care either, but it's not filler. Hamlets will be content in ARR. Unfortunately they will only be lively for about 2 months and then die off again because the reqs are too high for the people that want to still do it or are wanting to do it for the first time.

@Zumi: I'm not really sure how much if any of the hamlet content is being redone. In fact, I'd really love to read any info on changes that might occur if anyone knows of some official snippets. What I do know, however, is that it is carrying over into ARR and it should be something people can still enjoy after the first couple months.

Ah, I see your standpoint more clearly. I'm still going to roll with the idea that Hamlet is more relic-centric but I feel you. I can and do absolutely agree with your viewpoint under these premises.

[Miste]

Hamlet is stand alone content that just happens to be a stop in the relic path. It isn't all about relic. There are other reasons to do hamlets.

But it is a problem that people are largely only doing it for relic because when they move on the requirements are too high to get Hamlet to rank 2. Therefore people coming into the game or not at a point where they could do hamlet when it was steamrolled by the vets don't get to even enjoy it, let alone work on their own relics when that time comes. So SE either needs to give better incentive to still do hamlet or lower/change the reqs to advance it. Maybe something similar to how besieged works but further improved upon.

If this were just filler content, I would be inclined to not care either, but it's not filler. Hamlets will be content in ARR. Unfortunately they will only be lively for about 2 months and then die off again because the reqs are too high for the people that want to still do it or are wanting to do it for the first time.

@Zumi: I'm not really sure how much if any of the hamlet content is being redone. In fact, I'd really love to read any info on changes that might occur if anyone knows of some official snippets. What I do know, however, is that it is carrying over into ARR and it should be something people can still enjoy after the first couple months.

Finally! Someone who understands what I mean!

and Yves...

designed to burn time and keep people occupied

it was meant to keep people busy and distracted

Even though you disagreed with me earlier, you just pointed out two reasons why I want this changed. Cause as it stands it IS NOT a time burner or a distraction or keeping us busy since most of the time it is only Rank 1 then no one does it!

[fusional]

This content shouldn't have a small window of timing to remain enjoyable

it's been around for how many months already?

It is obvious the original design was meant for extremely heavy use by people with infinite money to burn

sounds about right for the longest/grindy-est step of the relic quest, yeah?

and no, it isn't all about relic. but considering it's the first and longest roadblock on the road to relic, making hamlet easier in any way makes relic easier. people will compete for top spot whether rank 1 or 2 and get seals whether rank 1 or 2, but by making it easier to reach rank 2 you're making it easier for *everyone else* to get seals, too. yes, it's far from guaranteed. but claims of seal drops being 'rare' are exaggerated. get 60k points (which is extremely easy) and you're looking at a 20-30% drop rate, maybe better. that's not rare.

so by making it easier to hit rank 2 you make it easier than ever before for people to basically just coast to their 9 seals. and considering devs have already expressed concern about more people obtaining relic than expected, i strongly doubt they're going to chop the legs out from under the longest step in the questline.

just saying.

[darkstarpoet1]

Another person who does not get it.

I am just talking about doing the content available. Hamlets not going to Rank 2 means no one does them which means we aren't enjoying the content. It is something to WORK on, not rush to finish. I did not even ONCE say anything about finishing relics BEFORE 2.0. Just that people still need stuff from Hamlet (GEAR TOO, its not all about seals) and it would be nice to have more opportunities to work on the content and not be limited by it not being Rank 2.

then instead of turning in 1 mil farm a little longer and turn in 3 mil and that makes it to rank 2 all by yourself. i know if i've done that solo multiple times myself than others can with a group helping them. also do it on the weekends when the majority do the hamlets and you are going to get rank 2 with or without your help. finally if you have a member that just wants their seals you can always get them to turn in 100k or so during the week to get the top spot and get their 3 seals in 3 runs and be done with it for them.