That Mac thread!

[Jadi]

Bolded for truth.

Back on subject, Windows 7 removed most of the "flashy but not practical" crap they had on Vista which was extremely irritating. They made the OS run faster and they got rid of many bugs that Vista had. They made the security system less "pull your hair out in frustration" and generally improved it. It's all "preference" if you will, but it cause major issues with making it not user friendly for the sake of looking pretty. Source: PCworld article I read like forever ago (can't find to link) and actual experience with both.

So basically touchups like I said.. those are changing the system defaults.. not changing the system. They reg-edited it.

The job of the OS is to be as invisible as possible to the user. When the user goes to accomplish a task, the very last thing they should think about or receive a notification from is the OS. The perfect OS is something like the OS that runs your car's computer.. you don't think about it or acknowledge that it's there.. it silently assists you in the task of driving, while you concentrate on.. driving.

In desktop computing space we are a long way from there.. however Interfaces like Gnome 3 and Aqua go further to this end of getting out of your way and letting you work then Aero on Windows does.. Windows sometimes acts like a needy child always wanting attention..

Metro from 8 is plagued with a whole new set of problems, such as hidden options, inconsistent interfaces as it switches back and forth and inconsistency with the ribbon interface on all the flagship apps. Including the requirement to preform mouse yoga a times to do what once was a simple task.

[AmyNeudaiz]

So basically touchups like I said.. those are changing the system defaults.. not changing the system. They reg-edited it.

Back to your earlier analogy, that's like saying FFXIV 1.0 (launch day) is 1.23 but with touch ups. It gets to a point to where it is beyond "touch ups" and more like an overhaul. They fixed most of the major complaints which I cannot recall all of them atm, but there were many. The only difference here is the fact that FFXIV remained FFXIV and Windows Vista got repackaged as Windows 7.
But I am not here to sell you Windows 7. I am here to state that the over glorification of Mac is redundant since it is not superior, it just has some die hard fans who spend $2000+ a year on Apple products making it the more expensive product. The fact of the matter is that the Mac user base is quite small in comparison to normal PC's but are just more profitable from the label. Yes, it has a better OS than Windows but that says nothing about the other OS's for non-Mac PC's. It's not just one side or the other, it's more like both of those options suck and you can do better. If you want to play FFXIV without work-arounds and without the horrid mess that is Windows OS go use Linux or something.

^ above post was made while multitasking. subject to not fully getting point across.

[Jadi]

Back to your earlier analogy, that's like saying FFXIV 1.0 (launch day) is 1.23 but with touch ups. It gets to a point to where it is beyond "touch ups" and more like an overhaul. They fixed most of the major complaints which I cannot recall all of them atm, but there were many. The only difference here is the fact that FFXIV remained FFXIV and Windows Vista got repackaged as Windows 7.
But I am not here to sell you Windows 7. I am here to state that the over glorification of Mac is redundant since it is not superior, it just has some die hard fans who spend $2000+ a year on Apple products making it the more expensive product. The fact of the matter is that the Mac user base is quite small in comparison to normal PC's but are just more profitable from the label. Yes, it has a better OS than Windows but that says nothing about the other OS's for non-Mac PC's. It's not just one side or the other, it's more like both of those options suck and you can do better. If you want to play FFXIV without work-arounds and without the horrid mess that is Windows OS go use Linux or something.

^ above post was made while multitasking. subject to not fully getting point across.

It does have a label value, but that's got nothing to do with it's superiority or not. When talking about architecture and design it makes smarter and better choices than Windows does. From the Kernel level, to the system level, to the interface level.

I think we may be comparing apples to oranges here.. because I'm entirely ignoring the fact that Apple is a hardware manufacture.. I don't compare Apple to Microsoft on this level because Microsoft does not make hardware, the only level that makes sense is on the software level. (on a hardware level your much more apt to find crap hardware components in a Dell than in a Apple system but there is such a wide range of options here it's difficult to really compare)

[Wolfie]

WTF did I just read

POSIX compliance and he's right. OSX is POSIX compliant.

That said, OSX and Windows are both s**tty OSes, OSX being the smellier turd of the two.

[Jadi]

POSIX compliance and he's right. OSX is POSIX compliant.

That said, OSX and Windows are both s**tty OSes, OSX being the smellier turd of the two.

Partly but when you say POSIX people don't know what that means or how it benefits them. But getting into the core of it.. if you didn't know what C: already meant.. why would you think it a logical choice..? the truth is, you wouldn't.

[AmyNeudaiz]

It does have a label value, but that's got nothing to do with it's superiority or not. When talking about architecture and design it makes smarter and better choices than Windows does. From the Kernel level, to the system level, to the interface level.

To make my earlier main point completely clear (I've been a little all over the place, multitasking a bit too much) to where most people will agree is that Mac computers are obsolete the second they come off the production line because of the cost effectiveness is just not there. You are paying for the label. It is not a matter of Mac vs Windows, it is a matter of Mac vs Everything. If a Mac comes out with a computer that is rated 85 out of 100 points (random example), you could build your own non-Mac PC or even order a pre-built non-Mac PC with the same rating for a lot cheaper and have your own OS of choice installed and there are plenty that are as good if not better than any Mac OS. Alternatively you could buy a lot more for $2000 buying a regular PC than you can with buying a Mac. Cost effectiveness is a very important issue and to say it's not is kind of an elitist and wasteful mentality.

Now getting back to the OP's discussion, I really don't expect a Mac client to be released for another few years. It's a lot more work than it sounds. Saying that they should hinder the production of FFXIV for real gamers just because you refuse to use work arounds is just blatant self entitlement. My first post here fixes all of the problems you have. Get a real PC if you don't want to have work arounds or wait a few years for a Mac client. That's just my opinion.

[Wolfie]

Partly but when you say POSIX people don't know what that means or how it benefits them. But getting into the core of it.. if you didn't know what C: already meant.. why would you think it a logical choice..? the truth is, you wouldn't.

It's not logical, but it's also irrelevant for the most part.

[Presbytier]

Lol, how easily Mac fanboys get upset over a small mistake is funny. I'll actually try to make a point this time. But aside from that small mistake, which I apologize for, you are the one coming up here saying Mac is better and you are not really making any real points except for personal preference arguments.
EDIT: And to be clear, I mean any arguments that are actually valid.

What you are arguing is all subjective points of view and no facts. From what I understand, take to mind I am no expert on the topic, is that Mac has a more "modern" OS with more streamlined functions and that's all that can be said about it. There's no "magic component(s)" that make it run better or anything of the sort. On the flip side Macs are made so that you have to buy upgrades through Apple unless you're very tech savy (and most people are not) which makes it an obsolite system as a whole. Non-Apple PC's are user friendly hardware wise and inexpensive compared to Mac and they get better parts sooner on the market than non-Apple PC's and they are typically more powerful than Macs from this fact alone, not to mention the fact that you have so much freedom to do whatever you want that they are chosen over Mac.

Modern OS > more affordable, powerful and customizable system as a whole? I think not. Oh and before you go on saying Mac is affordable, if I can find it later I'll link it here but there was someone who made a video proving how over priced Apple products are by going through and clicking all the extra options available to add on to a regular new model Mac lap top and it was over $10,000. I don't even have a big point behind that, just the fact that you can customize a $10,000 lap top that would become obsolite in 2 years.

No you can not build a $10,000 laptop; go to the Apple store and check yourself, secondly as i said before one of the main price point is the Monitor which for the iMacs the equivalent would be $1000 and the macbooks have no equivalent laptop monitor out there. How hard is it for you to understand that the OS does make it run faster that is the key. The average computer user does not upgrade for 5 years buying a Mac is only obsolete for people who upgrade every component every year.

[Presbytier]

Now getting back to the OP's discussion, I really don't expect a Mac client to be released for another few years. It's a lot more work than it sounds. Saying that they should hinder the production of FFXIV for real gamers just because you refuse to use work arounds is just blatant self entitlement. My first post here fixes all of the problems you have. Get a real PC if you don't want to have work arounds or wait a few years for a Mac client. That's just my opinion.

I never expected them to do it at launch or even in the first year; I even said as much but it does seem from your previous attempts at changing the argument to benefit yourself you can't be bothered to read. i even said i would use workarounds. I also dare you to build a PC with similar specs as a 27in iMac and don't forget to include an ISP monitor.

[AmyNeudaiz]

No you can not build a $10,000 laptop; go to the Apple store and check yourself, secondly as i said before one of the main price point is the Monitor which for the iMacs the equivalent would be $1000 and the macbooks have no equivalent laptop monitor out there. How hard is it for you to understand that the OS does make it run faster that is the key. The average computer user does not upgrade for 5 years buying a Mac is only obsolete for people who upgrade every component every year.

I never expected them to do it at launch or even in the first year; I even said as much but it does seem from your previous attempts at changing the argument to benefit yourself you can't be bothered to read. i even said i would use workarounds. I also dare you to build a PC with similar specs as a 27in iMac and don't forget to include an ISP monitor.

First off, I'm not going to check for myself. I've seen it with my own eyes. But I can't find the video, so fair enough this argument holds no water but it's still true to me.

Secondly, I can go out and get three monitors use it on one computer. Mac can not do that. That is one of the strong points of regular PC over Mac, especially for gaming.

Yeah, I know OS makes things run faster. But that's not what I'm arguing. I'm saying it's over priced garbage like Alienware. You can get the same for cheaper if you don't go Mac.

I'm not trying to change the subject, I'm more going with the thread. I also don't see how anything I'm saying is of any "benefit" to me?

Lastly, I reread your OP and okay fair enough, you said in the future but it still doesn't really exempt you from my statement. Again, you latch on to these little mistakes I make and don't focus on the core message which is, having a Mac client is unnecessary because the player base for Mac is tiny and not profitable.