That Mac thread!

[AmyNeudaiz]

Hea AmyNeudaiz, Macs *are* better. You'll have to just face it. The system design (mostly due to Darwin/Mach/FreeBSD) is superior. The UI implementation is superior.

Saying they are more expensive is like saying Cobalt is better than Dark Light because it's cheaper.

Off the subject of your analogy, I'd take appropriate triple IV melds on +1 Cobalt over Darklight anyday. People just like to say Darklight is better because of the social status attached to it. Also, Darklight is cheaper because it's free.

Anyways back to the subject, I was more arguing the cost effectiveness of the 2. For what you would pay for in a Mac PC you can get better in a non-Mac PC and be able to make the same upgrades far cheaper. This is only one point. If you feel inclined to throw your money away so you can have an icon on your computer monitor shaped like a bitten apple, feel free.

You know that 7 is Vista re branded and touched up, right? Same core system.

7 is Vista fixed. The reason Vista is horrible is not present in 7. This is coming from someone who doesn't like Windows OS. Let me say it again for extra clearity. I hate Windows, it's crap.

[Jadi]

Off the subject of your analogy, I'd take appropriate triple IV melds on +1 Cobalt over Darklight anyday. People just like to say Darklight is better because of the social status attached to it. Also, Darklight is cheaper because it's free.

Anyways back to the subject, I was more arguing the cost effectiveness of the 2. For what you would pay for in a Mac PC you can get better in a non-Mac PC and be able to make the same upgrades far cheaper. This is only one point. If you feel inclined to throw your money away so you can have an icon on your computer monitor shaped like a bitten apple, feel free.



7 is Vista fixed. The reason Vista is horrible is not present in 7. This is coming from someone who doesn't like Windows OS.

What was "fixed"? Both seem to run like crap to me but I don't know.. I have to compare that with what I know and I have experience with pretty much any operating system you could name and many you couldn't. My biggest complaint about windows is that it allows the user to pollute and slowly destroy the operating system.. this is why new installs run so much better on Windows. Other OS's don't really have this problem. On Linux or Solaris for example.. every single time you log into it.. unless you make a change it is exactly the same level of performance as last time and will run this way till the hardware gives out.

You know how to tell your hardware is failing in Solaris? It crashes. In windows this is just an indication that it hasn't been rebooted in 3 days. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsStHxtVr_w

The Windows Mojave testing told Microsoft that what was wrong with Vista was.. nothing. and btw. 8 is worse.. 8 will kill Microsoft.

[AmyNeudaiz]

What was "fixed"? Both seem to run like crap to me but I don't know.. I have to compare that with what I know and I have experience with pretty much any operating system you could name and many you couldn't. My biggest complaint about windows is that it allows the user to pollute and slowly destroy the operating system.. this is why new installs run so much better on Windows. Other OS's don't really have this problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsStHxtVr_w

The Windows Mojave testing told Microsoft that what was wrong with Vista was.. nothing. and btw. 8 is worse.. 8 will kill Microsoft.

Bolded for truth.

Back on subject, Windows 7 removed most of the "flashy but not practical" crap they had on Vista which was extremely irritating. They made the OS run faster and they got rid of many bugs that Vista had. They made the security system less "pull your hair out in frustration" and generally improved it. It's all "preference" if you will, but it cause major issues with making it not user friendly for the sake of looking pretty. Source: PCworld article I read like forever ago (can't find to link) and actual experience with both.

In windows this is just an indication that it hasn't been rebooted in 3 days. lol

None of my computers ever had this issue even when one was on Vista and I've never heard of anyone having this issue unless they have a really old PC. I'm starting to think you're the one with preconceived ideas of what Windows is like.

[Jadi]

Bolded for truth.

Back on subject, Windows 7 removed most of the "flashy but not practical" crap they had on Vista which was extremely irritating. They made the OS run faster and they got rid of many bugs that Vista had. They made the security system less "pull your hair out in frustration" and generally improved it. It's all "preference" if you will, but it cause major issues with making it not user friendly for the sake of looking pretty. Source: PCworld article I read like forever ago (can't find to link) and actual experience with both.

So basically touchups like I said.. those are changing the system defaults.. not changing the system. They reg-edited it.

The job of the OS is to be as invisible as possible to the user. When the user goes to accomplish a task, the very last thing they should think about or receive a notification from is the OS. The perfect OS is something like the OS that runs your car's computer.. you don't think about it or acknowledge that it's there.. it silently assists you in the task of driving, while you concentrate on.. driving.

In desktop computing space we are a long way from there.. however Interfaces like Gnome 3 and Aqua go further to this end of getting out of your way and letting you work then Aero on Windows does.. Windows sometimes acts like a needy child always wanting attention..

Metro from 8 is plagued with a whole new set of problems, such as hidden options, inconsistent interfaces as it switches back and forth and inconsistency with the ribbon interface on all the flagship apps. Including the requirement to preform mouse yoga a times to do what once was a simple task.

[AmyNeudaiz]

So basically touchups like I said.. those are changing the system defaults.. not changing the system. They reg-edited it.

Back to your earlier analogy, that's like saying FFXIV 1.0 (launch day) is 1.23 but with touch ups. It gets to a point to where it is beyond "touch ups" and more like an overhaul. They fixed most of the major complaints which I cannot recall all of them atm, but there were many. The only difference here is the fact that FFXIV remained FFXIV and Windows Vista got repackaged as Windows 7.
But I am not here to sell you Windows 7. I am here to state that the over glorification of Mac is redundant since it is not superior, it just has some die hard fans who spend $2000+ a year on Apple products making it the more expensive product. The fact of the matter is that the Mac user base is quite small in comparison to normal PC's but are just more profitable from the label. Yes, it has a better OS than Windows but that says nothing about the other OS's for non-Mac PC's. It's not just one side or the other, it's more like both of those options suck and you can do better. If you want to play FFXIV without work-arounds and without the horrid mess that is Windows OS go use Linux or something.

^ above post was made while multitasking. subject to not fully getting point across.

[Jadi]

Back to your earlier analogy, that's like saying FFXIV 1.0 (launch day) is 1.23 but with touch ups. It gets to a point to where it is beyond "touch ups" and more like an overhaul. They fixed most of the major complaints which I cannot recall all of them atm, but there were many. The only difference here is the fact that FFXIV remained FFXIV and Windows Vista got repackaged as Windows 7.
But I am not here to sell you Windows 7. I am here to state that the over glorification of Mac is redundant since it is not superior, it just has some die hard fans who spend $2000+ a year on Apple products making it the more expensive product. The fact of the matter is that the Mac user base is quite small in comparison to normal PC's but are just more profitable from the label. Yes, it has a better OS than Windows but that says nothing about the other OS's for non-Mac PC's. It's not just one side or the other, it's more like both of those options suck and you can do better. If you want to play FFXIV without work-arounds and without the horrid mess that is Windows OS go use Linux or something.

^ above post was made while multitasking. subject to not fully getting point across.

It does have a label value, but that's got nothing to do with it's superiority or not. When talking about architecture and design it makes smarter and better choices than Windows does. From the Kernel level, to the system level, to the interface level.

I think we may be comparing apples to oranges here.. because I'm entirely ignoring the fact that Apple is a hardware manufacture.. I don't compare Apple to Microsoft on this level because Microsoft does not make hardware, the only level that makes sense is on the software level. (on a hardware level your much more apt to find crap hardware components in a Dell than in a Apple system but there is such a wide range of options here it's difficult to really compare)

[AmyNeudaiz]

It does have a label value, but that's got nothing to do with it's superiority or not. When talking about architecture and design it makes smarter and better choices than Windows does. From the Kernel level, to the system level, to the interface level.

To make my earlier main point completely clear (I've been a little all over the place, multitasking a bit too much) to where most people will agree is that Mac computers are obsolete the second they come off the production line because of the cost effectiveness is just not there. You are paying for the label. It is not a matter of Mac vs Windows, it is a matter of Mac vs Everything. If a Mac comes out with a computer that is rated 85 out of 100 points (random example), you could build your own non-Mac PC or even order a pre-built non-Mac PC with the same rating for a lot cheaper and have your own OS of choice installed and there are plenty that are as good if not better than any Mac OS. Alternatively you could buy a lot more for $2000 buying a regular PC than you can with buying a Mac. Cost effectiveness is a very important issue and to say it's not is kind of an elitist and wasteful mentality.

Now getting back to the OP's discussion, I really don't expect a Mac client to be released for another few years. It's a lot more work than it sounds. Saying that they should hinder the production of FFXIV for real gamers just because you refuse to use work arounds is just blatant self entitlement. My first post here fixes all of the problems you have. Get a real PC if you don't want to have work arounds or wait a few years for a Mac client. That's just my opinion.