relic quest change in ARR?

[Xenor]

Drop rate is 100% if you are #1 provi and almost every run a seal if you are #2 or #3...

Are you aware that only one person on the entire server can obtain #1 provisioner? That's hardly a good method to get your seals. You could spend 20mil on items to donate and not even get top 3 if 3 people spend 21mil.

If you're not going down this route either because you don't have the gil or because you're not crazy enough to spend 60mil on 9 seals then you've 3 options.

1) Ask 7 nice people to do nothing but hamlet for a week for no benefit of their own.
2) Create a static party and spend 8 weeks getting all 8 people seals.
3) Spend 3-4 months doing it with PUGs where every run will have 8 new people who need a seal.

How is this fun gameplay?

You can rule #1 out because chances are if you need seals you weren't around to help those 7 people get theirs. Why should they help you?

#2 you can rule out because chances are there aren't 8 people in your LS or friend list who need seals.

So you're left with #3 which is so off putting it's not even worth bothering with.

I've barely played this game the past 4 months because I missed the boat with hamlet and everyone has been busy with the rest of the relic quest, which unlike hamlet needs to be done multiple times.

In short, we need less of this shit in ARR if the game is to succeed.

[YuriSan]

Are you aware that only one person on the entire server can obtain #1 provisioner? That's hardly a good method to get your seals. You could spend 20mil on items to donate and not even get top 3 if 3 people spend 21mil.

If you're not going down this route either because you don't have the gil or because you're not crazy enough to spend 60mil on 9 seals then you've 3 options.

1) Ask 7 nice people to do nothing but hamlet for a week for no benefit of their own.
2) Create a static party and spend 8 weeks getting all 8 people seals.
3) Spend 3-4 months doing it with PUGs where every run will have 8 new people who need a seal.

How is this fun gameplay?

You can rule #1 out because chances are if you need seals you weren't around to help those 7 people get theirs. Why should they help you?

#2 you can rule out because chances are there aren't 8 people in your LS or friend list who need seals.

So you're left with #3 which is so off putting it's not even worth bothering with.

I've barely played this game the past 4 months because I missed the boat with hamlet and everyone has been busy with the rest of the relic quest, which unlike hamlet needs to be done multiple times.

In short, we need less of this shit in ARR if the game is to succeed.

Well if u have a #1 provi in your pt seals drop 100% for him in his private loot and u get lots of seals drop in the public loot aswell. u can distribute them to the people to get em done with seals one person at a time.
I didnt say the way we did it is the best way to do it. but in a lil family/ls like ours it was efficiant.
We go all 3/3 for all 8/8 and the effort to get top 3 was divided by 8. everyone pitched in some labour so it wasnt all that horrible.
And them 20hrs straight where kinda fun and bonding.
What we went through we will remember pleasantly even if we passed out on the floor a couple of times during those hrs.
In the end all i know is all mah thugs have their seals done now and we dun need to hamlet again like ever...
You can do it however u want i just sugested a way that worked for us

[Reika]

Well if u have a #1 provi in your pt seals drop 100% for him in his private loot and u get lots of seals drop in the public loot aswell. u can distribute them to the people to get em done with seals one person at a time.
I didnt say the way we did it is the best way to do it. but in a lil family/ls like ours it was efficiant.
We go all 3/3 for all 8/8 and the effort to get top 3 was divided by 8. everyone pitched in some labour so it wasnt all that horrible.
And them 20hrs straight where kinda fun and bonding.
What we went through we will remember pleasantly even if we passed out on the floor a couple of times during those hrs.
In the end all i know is all mah thugs have their seals done now and we dun need to hamlet again like ever...
You can do it however u want i just sugested a way that worked for us

Seals are untradeable and as #1 prov, they will drop streight into your inv, just like all the other things you get from the captain. Hell..... if seals were tradeable there are many people that would actually not stop doing hamlet, and at the same time possibly prevent people that actually need seals from getting theirs.

[PSxpert2011]

Hey all I'm just wondering if the quest chain for relics will be changing come ARR? Reason I ask is I was thinking of getting the process started but if it is all going to change I won't bother. I know for a fact I won't be able to finish in a month lol

I don't think it should change. If it does(oh,well) it does... I'll adjust.

SE SHOULDN'T ADJUST THE CONTENT just because it's boring for some and/or inconvenient. Let the ones who play hard for say, 3~12 hours or 7 day static to get their seals in Hamlet, get their AF weapons. They the ones who honestly deserve it.

There's also the fact that you need to level a craft or gatherer class! If people don't want to take the time to do 'that', maybe they don't need to bother with the AF quest.

Lets say they change it to be easier(or make Hamlet more fun, BETTER DROP RATE), make AF weapons upgradable to be ++ more powerful. "Unfinished equipment" shouldn't be something to write home about.

[Molly_Millions]

I don't think it should change. If it does(oh,well) it does... I'll adjust.

First, the quest IS changing. I'm not sure about HD seal drop rates, but speed runs are going bye bye.

SE SHOULDN'T ADJUST THE CONTENT just because it's boring for some and/or inconvenient.

So you're saying that SE shouldn't adjust thier game to make it more fun? Hmmm, the majority of the player base that abandoned ship after launch begs to differ. Just because you suffered through it, doesn't mean new players that start after 2.0 should too.

If SE wants to make the quest harder, by adding more requirements, that's fine. But they need to adjust parts of it that simply exist to make the quest take lots of time. Hamlet seal drop rates, are a perfect example.

[YuriSan]

Seals are untradeable and as #1 prov, they will drop streight into your inv, just like all the other things you get from the captain. Hell..... if seals were tradeable there are many people that would actually not stop doing hamlet, and at the same time possibly prevent people that actually need seals from getting theirs.

Lol. i know.
However if the party has a top 3 provi in it the rate for seals drops in the public loot is uipped signifficantly.

[YuriSan]

I have a huge issue with the part i bolded. that's what needs to change. Your methods are fine, given the system we have today. The problem is that the current loot system is utter bullshit. Runing in circles for 20 mins (tank in HD) sucks ass, much less running in circles for 20 hours.

In addition to some fundamental changes to HD to add fun where there is none. (Or not much anyway) They could easily exchange the drop rate of seals for the drop rate of gear. You shouldn't be able to get a complete gear set before you can get even 2 seals. They should use the gear drops as incentives for those that have thier seals to help those that don't. It doesn't make sense to have it the other way around.

I understand the arguement that it's not fair to those that did endure the pain of HD seal drops. But really should it have been painful at all? No. SE needs to fix it to make thier game more fun, extreme repetition is not fun.

I know Hamlet is the most boring fu*** bullshit event in the universe....
But i kinda had an excrucienting kind of fun doing it. it all depends on how much u want your relic tbh man.
I like to be in my static and not be a random pickup ever. so i inv ested in 7 people to get the relic quest done. u see, we did hams together and we moved on the rest of the steps together aswell. it works out for the rest of the steps too dude. u wont have to look for parties to do 17 min dungeons and stuff. that shit is painfull dude.

[Molly_Millions]

I know Hamlet is the most boring fu*** bullshit event in the universe....
But i kinda had an excrucienting kind of fun doing it. it all depends on how much u want your relic tbh man.
I like to be in my static and not be a random pickup ever. so i inv ested in 7 people to get the relic quest done. u see, we did hams together and we moved on the rest of the steps together aswell. it works out for the rest of the steps too dude. u wont have to look for parties to do 17 min dungeons and stuff. that shit is painfull dude.

I made a conscious descision to not join a static in 1.0 to go for a relic. This was for one reason, spamming hamlet for 20 hours a day is not my idea of fun. Hamlet is not fun to begin with, spamming it constantly just do deal with bullshit seal drop rates, even less so. I know for a fact that other players have made the same descision as me. I'm hoping that something changes in 2.0 to make the quest more fun. Otherwise, I've resigned to the fact that I may only ever get one relic in the time that I play this game.

[Elexia]

I made a conscious descision to not join a static in 1.0 to go for a relic. This was for one reason, spamming hamlet for 20 hours a day is not my idea of fun. Hamlet is not fun to begin with, spamming it constantly just do deal with bullshit seal drop rates, even less so. I know for a fact that other players have made the same descision as me. I'm hoping that something changes in 2.0 to make the quest more fun. Otherwise, I've resigned to the fact that I may only ever get one relic in the time that I play this game.

Which is exactly what a lot of people have come to conclusion about and it outweighs the people who decided to go for all of the relics so they'll have to realize that shit will change if SE actually wants this MMO to succeed on relaunch.

[Molly_Millions]

Which is exactly what a lot of people have come to conclusion about and it outweighs the people who decided to go for all of the relics so they'll have to realize that shit will change if SE actually wants this MMO to succeed on relaunch.

That's exactly right. Yuri knows how I play, I constantly strive to have the very best gear I possibly can for all my classes. But I refuse to attempt to achieve that goal by doing what I don't find to be fun. When this game becomes a job to me, I'll quit playing. It's the same for the relic quest as for AV and CC speed runs, etc. (As many people have pointed out by posting links to my lodestone history in the PLD forums.) As long as speed runs are the goal, I won't participate, getting to 17 mins is very stressfull and not my idea of fun. If somebody wants to take thier time learning every facet of the dungeon, I'm all for it, but I won't go balls-to-the-wall right from the starting gate just to get the 17 min win.