relic quest change in ARR?

[fusional]

Which is why as I said it's pretty much an unnecessary step

unnecessary if relic quest is supposed to be easy stuff for everyone to complete in a few days, which it isn't. so can you share with us your brilliant ideas on how to make relic more difficult to obtain without using hamlet as an "unnecessary step"?

...oh right, i forgot. you're one of the proponents of making relic easier to acquire across the board. but surely this doesn't translate into bias regarding your position on the hamlet step, right? right?

[Elexia]

unnecessary if relic quest is supposed to be easy stuff for everyone to complete in a few days, which it isn't. so can you share with us your brilliant ideas on how to make relic more difficult to obtain without using hamlet as an "unnecessary step"?

...oh right, i forgot. you're one of the proponents of making relic easier

And once again any point you tried to make is thrown out by being retarded. I don't recall ever saying "make relics easier", especially since the dev team already said it won't be made easier.

It really is an unnecessary step, it would be fine if the event was designed better, but we had to take what we could get with this version. Since it's your opinion that other people want to make relics easier, why don't you share how to make it easier, since you know, it's been your stance that people want something easier if they don't agree with something. However, I bet you've never played FFXI or you would know it's very common practice for SE to force people to do events that normally wouldn't touch it, or did you just decide to block out the fact most people didn't bother with Hamlet Defense early on?

A lot of people dislike Hamlet Defense for obvious reasons, but knowing your logic you'd probably say:

"Only people who hate it are bad at it"

Right? Right?

Seriously, HD isn't even a barrier of entry..it's just..unnecessary lol. Making Relics easier would be saying:

"Get rid of Ifrit Extreme."
"Get rid of Garuda requirement."
"Get rid of Speed Runs"
"Get rid of Stronghold NM fights"
"Get rid of SBing the weapon."

Do you see the difference between something unnecessary and wanting something actually challenging removed for the sake of making relics easier? You act like Hamlet Defense is on the same level as every other requirement in the relic quest lol, not even the reasoning for wanting the 25k item and seals matter beyond "Hey player, Imma make you do something you never wanted to do!"

[Lum]

The relic quest will only get easier. The lfg system will make things a ton easier to get in there and get what you want. Speed runs will be gone and hopefully theres a little less luck involved with the melding system.

[Kerwin]

Quest progression can change all it wants, and I'm all for them making the quest unforgiving. But for the love of fuck don't change the prereqs. New players deserve to go through the suffering that I went to in order to gain seals.

EDIT: I don't want the relic quest to be easier, I want it to be harder.

I'm going to laugh at you and anyone else who thinks this way when SE makes relics easier to get in ARR. With the removal of speed runs and a better loot system, I won't have to suffer like you did.

Deal w/ it.

[Elexia]

The relic quest will only get easier. The lfg system will make things a ton easier to get in there and get what you want. Speed runs will be gone and hopefully theres a little less luck involved with the melding system.

Yep. I wouldn't say that it'd get easier since we don't know what they're doing in place of removing Speed Runs for example. They'll probably tone down the RNG since this is a day and age of MMORPGs that people are used to being handed shit, as seen by the love/hate relationship with Mists of Panderia.

[Darkillumina]

I posted this truth months ago.

The relic quest was brought up when SE realized they didn't have enough content to keep the game going until 2.0 was released. So what they did was basically take every single bit of content available in the game and build a quest line out of it. As I'm sure many of you who have done the quest realize, it doesn't really flow. It feels like a mish-mash because it is a mish-mash and was hastily implemented to keep the keen players happy and most-importantly paying until 2.0.

I posted that by the end of August most who really wanted them and had the resources and skill to obtain them would have 2-3 while by the end of September (which coincidentally turned out to be the last month of billing) the high end would have over 5-7 while even semi-keen players would at least have 1 or be very very close to it.

I know it's a bitter pill to swallow but the whole relic quest was designed to keep everyone occupied and thus was hastily implemented. I would think SE is going to evaluate the quest-line come 2.0 to try and streamline the process to make it a bit more organic. Of course many who put through with it will complain, but let's be honest here, if the Relic quest wasn't put together many would have put the game down until 2.0. They might have come back for Van Darnus hard but other than that there really hasn't been much of anything released since relic.

Finally, I do think this whole relic quest is really going to hamper SE in the future as I posted before. They have claimed that Relic will be upgradeable in the future to keep it viable but by doing so they are hampering the design of other items because if they dare release something more powerful than a relic weapon (say a Crystal Tower drop) people here will be screaming bloody murder just like many people in WoW did when their Epics became lolworthy when Burning Crusade launched with superior greens.

Bottom line is it's here so we might as well do it, but I do think it was a poor decision to launch the relic quest prior to 2.0 as it could really handcuff SE down the road.

Also Hamlet is ridiculous. There is no feasible reason why you need 3 seals from each Hamlet. Of course since the seal rush has died down considerably it is still quite easy to get in the top 3 during a weekday if you have a crafting class or gathering class leveled. Regardless, I would love to see the SE's private design documents and plans with regard to Hamlet. I'm willing to bet that they tacked on the 9 seal requirement to Hamlet when they realized NOBODY was doing Hamlet when it launched.

The circle is vicious anyhow. Those who did something first in any game will always complain when something is made easier down the road. But such is the fate of all games and MMO's. People should just accept this reality.

[Ruisu]

I'm going to laugh at you and anyone else who thinks this way when SE makes relics easier to get in ARR. With the removal of speed runs and a better loot system, I won't have to suffer like you did.

Deal w/ it.

Removing Hamlet wouldn't make the relic quest easier, for your information.They won't make it easier, Yoshida already wants the quest to be harder. People who own 3+ relics already want the quest to be harder. The loot system will be better, of course, but I just don't want them to remove the 9 seal requirement, is all. It'd be a pretty big fuck you to all of us who are 8/9 and can have the possibility of losing what little progress we have. I want hamlet to become as tolerable of content as possible, though that's a pretty steep request. I was being facetious.

If they're willing to compensate for my five months of sleepless nights, and shitty pugs, and antagonizing the server while crying myself to sleep by giving me whatever I need in place of the seals, I don't mind whatever they change.

[YuriSan]

The relic quest is just fine the way it is... just leave it be.

[Elexia]

I posted this truth months ago.

Thank you. Sadly some people will simply say you'll want it easier if you point this out or say anything against it. As for Hamlet Specifically, Tanaka also designed Campaign (most likely) so I highly doubt he had the seal intention in mind and if so, he likely would have thrown in a point system campaign style.

Really, the only people who don't agree on the quest changing are the ones who will feel their pixels are being threatened by someone else's pixels that may get it "easier."

[AmandaHuggenkiss]

The relic quest is just fine the way it is... just leave it be.

This is truth.