Thread: The Downfall of 2.0

Originally Posted by Hanabira

id say a huge reason why people arent very supportive of new players is because there are 3 weeks before the servers go down, and there are still things we want to do and there isnt enough time to be bringing people up to speed

There is a very good possibility this is the case for new players, but even for ones up to speed so to speak, it doesn't explain Atomos, and when 2.0 launches, I think many of the current playerbase will be too into exploring and wrapping their heads around the new game, rather than taking time to help the new players.

Once again, just a personal opinion.

Originally Posted by Javino

Ok, I never said there wasn't a "Strong community". I said there isn't a supportive community for new players.

Maybe on the old servers but this is part of the reason for not allowing old chr's to transfer to new worlds, so they can build their own economy (see newest dev tracker explaining this)

Originally Posted by Javino

As for starting over again on a new server, you're also agreeing with my argument to an extent as to "Starting from scratch, to experience the new content" pretty much says you think there needs to be some form of a wipe >.>

I'm starting over as a personal choice. thats the beauty of what they have done, allowed the players the choice to keep all their hard work from 1.0 or start fresh. i choose this because i wish to experience the new world from the ground up, what you propose with a chr wipe is to remove that choice. i cant support that.

Originally Posted by Javino

As for population, The servers were well populated for awhile, but Ul'Dah as of lately is alot more lonely. Also people can't even defeat Atomos at several points throughout the day due to lack of participation.

I personally only go to uldah because that is where everyone congregates (for whatever reason). i'm not a fan of the barren wasteland theme or the style of the city. but yes, when an MMO is in its waning days (1.0 is almost done) many people stop playing. this shouldnt be a surprise.lots of people are waiting for 2.0 and are quite excited. i've managed to lure in at least 5 RL friends for sure just by posting news bits on my facebook feed (might be more but 5 are guaranteed). There will be a boom and probably a bit of a lull after 2.0 comes out but this is expected (i'm assuming the lull will be when they allow transfers)

Originally Posted by Javino

Also, if we're comparing to XI, it's almost the same deal, If a new player starts there now, good luck finding help up to lvl 30, unless you have friends that are willing to level sync, and expect to be spending levels 30-99 in Aby. Oh and about those expansions that came with your purchase, you can get through the first half of them, but good luck again trying to find help completing them fully.

Yes, in an aging MMO you will encounter this problem. same goes for WoW until the next Class expansion comes out then its busy with everyone being the new class until they majority are at max level. same is happening now, heck i'm level 45 and cant find a party for quests or people wont help cause its too low... i can tell you right now, if there was a chr wipe, the world would be empty. who would want to play right now if all their efforts were for nothing?

Originally Posted by Javino

WoW clone or not, unless something comes out of this that's simple, intuitive and enthralling, it will not meet gamer's expectations nor will it be a success. This is how I feel on 2.0

What have you heard about 2.0 that is not exciting? here are a few things i'm excited for;
limit breaks
crystal tower
housing
chocobo raising
3 in depth story's to follow not to mention the factions
pvp
personal airships
golden saucer

while some of these wont be there at launch there is still
new quests that aid in level progression without relying on Leve's
Arcanist
all new maps to explore
story to discover
crystal tower

and this is just what i can think of off the top of my head. i'm sorry you arent excited but there are legitimate things to draw people in. these things are enough to keep me busy while i wait for the next feature they want to add. it's disheartening to see so many people giving up on the game before its even entered alpha/beta. even at 1.0 launch, despite all the things wrong with it i saw lots of potential and watching what Yoshi-P has done and continuing to do, i'm quite optimistic. but this is just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Elexia

In terms of MMOs losing the majority of your playerbase = Flopped. It started out with something like 700k people let alone sales the first month, then dropped down to an estimated 15-35k or even lower at this point?

It can't be too much lower, yoshi has stated more than once they have to move hundreds of thousands of characters data over for 2.0. Even taking into account that many of those characters may be on the same account, I think even 35k is low balling it. Again, I dont want to start the 30 millionth argument about what we THINK player population is, I just think its over 50k. I could be totally wrong though, same as you.