Please change ARC close-range auto-attack from punching to striking with bow

[PSxpert2011]

What do you expect them to do for archer bow attacks if they remove light shot? Archers wouldn't even be able to use their bows for tp generating attacks. Their only choice is to not remove light shot if they dont want archers 'AFKing to auto attack', tho the movement lock would hopefully be nullified or nearly nullified if they keep it.

Well, the idea of archer(which I also am leveling) going all auto-attack like the other classes doesn't feel right. Now, if you ask me will it make sense because they're removing ammo, sure. The two facts of "no more ammo" and "auto-attack" has to be a conspiracy in itself.

When an archer auto-attacks, it disregards 'choice'(like when mobs get too close, you have no choice but to punch it) but it's still possible to attack with archery no matter how close you are to the target. Instead of high damage,I'm afraid SE has other plans for adjusting classes in ARR and Bard won't be much of a DDing role but a cure/support role with bow & arrows.

[NoctisUmbra]

You're really going to try that after saying this? Did you play ARR yet?

No... I watched the third live letter footage. I suppose you didn't, or you don't have much of an eye for detail if you did.

What do you expect them to do for archer bow attacks if they remove light shot? Archers wouldn't even be able to use their bows for tp generating attacks. Their only choice is to not remove light shot if they dont want archers 'AFKing to auto attack', tho the movement lock would hopefully be nullified or nearly nullified if they keep it.

I'm not pulling shit out of my ass.

• There's no Light Shot in ARR.
• They have ranged AA that behaves light Light Shot, but switches to punches in close range.
• Also, TP building is no longer connected to AA for any class in ARR. TP starts with a full bar and regenerates to full over time, faster when not engaged similar to MP.

We don't know a lot about ARR's system, but there's a decent amount of info that we do have. Apparently you're not on the same page.

[Reika]

Oh well I forgot seeing that. But let me ask you, are you fine with archer being able to use weapon skills at melee range? It clearly shows them still being able to do that. Why have one and not the other, why still have punch? No point in it. Unless you would like for archers to not be able to use weaponskills at all if they arent far enough. Make it the worst class to go solo with of them all that way.

[NoctisUmbra]

Oh well I forgot seeing that. But let me ask you, are you fine with archer being able to use weapon skills at melee range? It clearly shows them still being able to do that. Why have one and not the other, why still have punch? No point in it. Unless you would like for archers to not be able to use weaponskills at all if they arent far enough. Make it the worst class to go solo with of them all that way.

They can't combo effectively unless at range. Thus both WS and Auto Attacks promote ARC remaining in long range.

[Reika]

They can't combo effectively unless at range. Thus both WS and Auto Attacks promote ARC remaining in long range.

point is, they can shoot an arrow at somethings face at point blank range. combo or not its still doable, and 'unrealistic' according to you guys.

Maybe if they go ahead and make punching do the same amount of damage as an arrow shot, but then again punching some things shouldnt do any damage at all, realistically. Like the magitek armor, a swarm of bees, flans, etc.

[NoctisUmbra]

How realistic it is isn't a major factor for me. It's simply a mechanic to enforce ARC/BRD to play more mindful of it's position and range in battles. By doing that, they also happen to solve the unrealistic aspect of shooting arrows point blank without being overly restrictive.

I expect ARC will be even more focused on placing specific crowd control debuffs on targets by using combos than it is now, which will have good synergy with the BRD job effectively specializing the class/job as support. Don't expect to see ARC/BRD putting out great DPS in ARR compared to MNK or DRG.

[Alhanelem]

And that is a balance issue. You ever try doing levequests solo as an archer?

(Late to the party but my power supply died and forgot about this)
Yes, and I can generally manage to get combos off by running as I fire- Bard in particular is generally a support specialist, so I don't mind them not being able to function as well when alone. You can also abuse leashing in most cases if you really have to.

[Vanguard319]

you could use an arrow as an improvised weapon, given the guy your trying to stab with a projectile weapon isn't wearing chain, plate or Hardened Leather...otherwise he'll just laugh at you while he's lopping of your arms and head.

Modern arrows are made out of stronger and lighter Machine Metal, arrow hafts of the past were often made out of a light wood that often more than not would break and splinter upon impact of hardened mass. there are exceptions to that rule, long distance archery used for siege warfare required the use of heaver hafts while this arrows were much sturdier and could be reused they had a drawback, heavy arrows were useless at close encounters as the bow could not provide enough torque to propel the heaver mass of the arrows. this lead to many tales of warriors who could shunt the blow of arrows but the truth is these arrows didn't pierce deep enough to do any damage. the invention of the crossbow negated all effects of heavy arrows except arching which was later rectified using bolts instead of hafts.

Sorry for that long winded Explanation...but the more you know.

in skyrim the character does not use the bow for hitting. the animation is clearly just using the fist that happens to be holding the bow, so in essence its still punching.

I'll concede your first argument, though arrow melee has been done in fantasy before. (Helm's Deep ring a bell?) However, the bow strike in Skyrim can can be considered using the bow in melee, as it adds mass to the punch, giving it more concussive force. (brass knuckles and weighted gloves work on the same principle)

[Rannie]

Uni that was only done during the movie not during the actual book so it isn't cannon he actually ran out of arrows during helm's deep defense and had to switch to his daggers at one point. Point in case... well with the bottom they were too close to shoot with arrows.

The Two Towers
Chapter 7 Helm's Deep

(in my book page 166)

He climbed up and found Legolas beside Aragorn and Eomer. The elf was whetting his long knife. There was for a while a lull in the assault, since the attempt to break in through the culvert had been foiled.
"Twenty-one!" said Gimli.
"Good!" said Legolas. "But my count is now two dozen. It has been knife-work up here."

a little bit later he's trying to scrounge up some more arrows and wishing for better lighting for shooting.

[Vanguard319]

Uni that was only done during the movie not during the actual book so it isn't cannon he actually ran out of arrows during helm's deep defense and had to switch to his daggers at one point. Point in case... well with the bottom they were too close to shoot with arrows.

The Two Towers
Chapter 7 Helm's Deep

(in my book page 166)

He climbed up and found Legolas beside Aragorn and Eomer. The elf was whetting his long knife. There was for a while a lull in the assault, since the attempt to break in through the culvert had been foiled.
"Twenty-one!" said Gimli.
"Good!" said Legolas. "But my count is now two dozen. It has been knife-work up here."

a little bit later he's trying to scrounge up some more arrows and wishing for better lighting for shooting.

So? It still was done in the movie, and the movie is certainly a work of fantasy, so your point does not in any way defeat my original statement.

Seriously, I get chewed out and regarded an idiot during the great Auto attack debate, and now I'm getting the same for taking what was essentially the counter argument?!? You people are the worst kind of trolls.