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  1. #71
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    I'd still say something like a bladed fist weapon would work. Maybe even a glove that has a small blade attached to the wrist or top of the hand that they strike with. Such examples already exist with the Officer's Gloves, there's a piece of metal attached to one of the gloves. Why can't this exist as a normal thing? It's a small off-hand weapon that can be used to stab the enemy with in close proximity. And actually a bash with your bow would be possible too, look at Skyrim for instance. One of the close ranged attacks while particularly weak, is thrusting motion forward using your bow arm. It's a bash attack more or less.

    You don't have to swing the bow, as cool as that could be, but punching something with your fist like that just feels a little odd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breladine View Post
    No. You're thinking guns or riflemen, not bows and archers. I have never seen an archer smash their bow into someone.
    Guess you never saw the Avengers. Hawkeye does it a few times. Hell, stabbing the guy with an arrow as an improvised stiletto (also in the Avengers) would have been better than that punch. A well-made bow can take some abuse, they just can't be dry fired.
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    Last edited by Vanguard319; 10-05-2012 at 03:45 PM.

  3. #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukkirii View Post
    What?! You guys don't like punching monsters in the face when they are too close? That is preposterous! Currently, there aren't any plans to change this animation, but I'll be sure to keep them in the know of your feedback on the animation. In the meantime, keep on training.

    *Queues "Eye of the Tiger"*
    Im fine with punching the mob, but it needs to do more maybe a chance to stun the mob so we can get 8 malms away to pull off combo's.
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  4. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard319 View Post
    Guess you never saw the Avengers. Hawkeye does it a few times. Hell, stabbing the guy with an arrow as an improvised stiletto (also in the Avengers) would have been better than that punch. A well-made bow can take some abuse, they just can't be dry fired.
    He's also using a steel reinforced carbon fiber bow. try smacking somebody with the any type of wooden bow and they'll break after a few swings...this is why archer way back when carried Spatha's, Daggers, or other variety of the small sword.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimonLoon View Post
    Need to get rid of the punch and just have only Ranged-Auto Attack.
    That's besides the topic.

    Your the guy who just wants to go AFK, eat his chips and watch movies on the side while getting hate and dying. (loool)
    Everyone else is aware of the battle. I wouldn't be surprised if you get kicked from the party along with having to HP.
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    your sig is really cool
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  7. #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    ... because we've played ARR, tried out the classes/jobs, we've now moved on to discussing balance.
    I desire to prevent the current imbalance from leaking into ARR.

    And...

    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    There's no more Light Shot in ARR. All basic ranged attack is handled by AA, the same AA that punches in close range. It simply switches back and forth based on distance.

    That being said, again, this discussion is relatively trivial and isn't worth delaying ARR even a second.
    You're really going to try that after saying this? Did you play ARR yet?
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    Last edited by Reika; 10-07-2012 at 05:13 PM.

  8. #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valmonte View Post
    He's also using a steel reinforced carbon fiber bow. try smacking somebody with the any type of wooden bow and they'll break after a few swings...this is why archer way back when carried Spatha's, Daggers, or other variety of the small sword.
    Hey, quite a few of the of the bows are more metal clad/reinforced than wooden, (the calvary bows, Ifrit's bow, Garudas' spine, and of course the Storm Lt's bow in my sig.) so it's not completely improbable. Also, I noticed you had nothing to say about my other comment, about using an arrow as an improvised stabby melee weapon. Finally, as many have pointed out, it works in Skyrim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard319 View Post
    Hey, quite a few of the of the bows are more metal clad/reinforced than wooden, (the calvary bows, Ifrit's bow, Garudas' spine, and of course the Storm Lt's bow in my sig.) so it's not completely improbable. Also, I noticed you had nothing to say about my other comment, about using an arrow as an improvised stabby melee weapon. Finally, as many have pointed out, it works in Skyrim.
    you could use an arrow as an improvised weapon, given the guy your trying to stab with a projectile weapon isn't wearing chain, plate or Hardened Leather...otherwise he'll just laugh at you while he's lopping of your arms and head.

    Modern arrows are made out of stronger and lighter Machine Metal, arrow hafts of the past were often made out of a light wood that often more than not would break and splinter upon impact of hardened mass. there are exceptions to that rule, long distance archery used for siege warfare required the use of heaver hafts while this arrows were much sturdier and could be reused they had a drawback, heavy arrows were useless at close encounters as the bow could not provide enough torque to propel the heaver mass of the arrows. this lead to many tales of warriors who could shunt the blow of arrows but the truth is these arrows didn't pierce deep enough to do any damage. the invention of the crossbow negated all effects of heavy arrows except arching which was later rectified using bolts instead of hafts.

    Sorry for that long winded Explanation...but the more you know.

    in skyrim the character does not use the bow for hitting. the animation is clearly just using the fist that happens to be holding the bow, so in essence its still punching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PSxpert2011 View Post
    That's besides the topic.

    Your the guy who just wants to go AFK, eat his chips and watch movies on the side while getting hate and dying. (loool)
    Everyone else is aware of the battle. I wouldn't be surprised if you get kicked from the party along with having to HP.
    What do you expect them to do for archer bow attacks if they remove light shot? Archers wouldn't even be able to use their bows for tp generating attacks. Their only choice is to not remove light shot if they dont want archers 'AFKing to auto attack', tho the movement lock would hopefully be nullified or nearly nullified if they keep it.
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