Please change ARC close-range auto-attack from punching to striking with bow

[Dargoth_Draconia]

actually I don't know what facts you're talking about. My cousin is a hunter and has a hunting bow. I've used bows and arrows irl and I never whacked anything with my bow nor has my cousin... Actually if you want to go with more factual then why does it take more than one arrow for us to kill something seeing as how most of the time (especially with animals) one shot is a killing blow to them because they're either aiming for the heart or brains ^_^ . also one shot can disable them and keep them from running to do another killing blow with a different weapon like a dagger or something to that extent.

I take up the bow as well and perhaps you never hit something with your bow because you never had someone attacking you with a sword or axe. You wouldn't try to punch someone like that attacking you when you have a sturdy bow in your hands which makes for a much better bludgeon than your fist. Also they were extremely well made from flexible yet sturdy wood. Much like the wood used in many pole based weapons.

[Firon]

I take up the bow as well and perhaps you never hit something with your bow because you never had someone attacking you with a sword or axe. You wouldn't try to punch someone like that attacking you when you have a sturdy bow in your hands which makes for a much better bludgeon than your fist. Also they were extremely well made from flexible yet sturdy wood. Much like the wood used in many pole based weapons.

Why the hell would you risk breaking your bow to hit someone with it???????

[Cassandaria]

I wouldn't mind hitting with the bow, if, like real bows made for that sort of combat, the bow actually had bladed ends (they actually did exist with metal bowframes)
All I care about is the fact that they are removing ammunition (I like my consumable arrows thank you) and making your auto attack a ranged attack. Bard doesn't need auto attack, you choose to attack when you need to and buff your allies. Can you deal fantastic damage? absolutely, but now you have an auto attack frame in the way of all of this >.> I don't like it.
But I am willing to see what it is really like when the game comes out. I know I'm just nit picking and all, so I want to see what Archer/Bard will play like when it is all said and done. Maybe the auto attack wont be as bad as I fear?

[SzaaKarna]

kraken clubs all around. there. i said it.

[TimonLoon]

Need to get rid of the punch and just have only Ranged-Auto Attack.

[Rannie]

I take up the bow as well and perhaps you never hit something with your bow because you never had someone attacking you with a sword or axe. You wouldn't try to punch someone like that attacking you when you have a sturdy bow in your hands which makes for a much better bludgeon than your fist. Also they were extremely well made from flexible yet sturdy wood. Much like the wood used in many pole based weapons.

the bow is a ranged weapon however and even if the wood is sturdy enough once the enemies were too close the bowmen were worthless they would either have to back up or switch weapons. NEVER in the course of history has someone whacked someone with a bow because it's not feasible and just plain stupid and doesn't do damage. Again there is no fact to using a bow to hit people or animals with it. Second of all if someone is attacking me with a sword or axe and this isn't going to be in modern times then the minute i bring up my bow, which would most likely be made of wood, that bow would break against them, That's because the axe and sword is 10 times stronger since it's made of Iron or whatever material it was back in the days. Even now a days, unless you have a hunter's bow which is made of plastic or metal materials, it still would be made of wood.

People keep movies as reference and saying, Oh hawkeye did this and other archers did that... here's the thing those people aren't real. If anything have archers/bards equip a dagger or something else and use that with close range combat. However here's the thing. If you're in a party as either why would you use close range to begin with. You should have a good enough tank that can keep hate away from you while you stand far enough back to do the damage needed. Also if you don't like the close range combat then find a way to keep the monster from you with the abilities you have or switch to a different job that handles close range combat better.

[Onisake]

Also they were extremely well made from flexible yet sturdy wood. Much like the wood used in many pole based weapons.

Ash is probably one of the most popular woods for making polearms. this is the worst wood to use for a bow. it's far too brittle

many of the woods used to make pole based weapons are stiff, brittle woods that are very dense. In general you do not want to use this kind of wood in making a bow. They don't have the tensile strength to withstand the bow making process or the constant flexing needed to use a bow.

bow woods are typically more porous woods. and much softer. Harder woods can be used in bows, but they are typically only used for the backing, or used in making a fiber-glass like material to help hold the bow together. and this was only done because a more suitable woods was not available. Yew is, and always was, expensive. when you're outfitting an army of 500+ archers and you have the choice between cheap, reduced range or expensive long range you typically gave your grunts cheapo bows. because 1) they did not need to be accurate (our arrows will blot out the sky!) 2) you didn't want them to be too far away (or they'll run away/desert you)

Some composite bows can be made elm, oak, ash, hazel and maple. However these bows suffer greatly from reduced range and power compared to an equivalent yew bow. and you wouldn't use these woods in a polearm anyway. some of these woods are suitable for shields, however.

If you want to talk about eastern bows, Bamboo is probably the material of choice. for very obvious reasons. but even bamboo bows need to be very thin due to the tinsel strength.

Mongol bows, probably the best bows in the world, were composite bows witha wooden core and used sinew and horn to help back the bow. the most common wood used was birch.

My personal favorite is the Japanese longbow. it's huge. and it just looks really cool. it can also have very impressive range and power. However it is also one of the most fragile bows. if you draw it incorrectly you can break it. however they are extremely accurate once you get used to them.

I can admit that you can make a bow from almost any type of wood. but you have to really know what you're doing. and there will be pros and cons to teh type of wood you are using. overall, be prepared to suffered reduced range and power from using less ideal woods.

you do not smack people with your bow. you have to be extremely skilled to parry with a bow and not damage it. as an archer you typically dont' want to be in melee range. If you had a bow that was suitable for melee. IE: strong enough to hit someone with and it not break. it would have been designed specifically for this. and would not have as great a range as a bow made for shooting arrows.

[Khazar]

What?! You guys don't like punching monsters in the face when they are too close? That is preposterous! Currently, there aren't any plans to change this animation, but I'll be sure to keep them in the know of your feedback on the animation. In the meantime, keep on training.

*Queues "Eye of the Tiger"*

why not puncture the monster with an arrow like some archers do in films? like legolas when a monster is so close.



this or hit with a dagger is the normal option for an archer when he have to melee but cause the armory system is an error and have problems like this archers cant equip a dagger in off hand. -__-

S-E get rid of armoury system and give the jobs hands the freedom to handle a wide variety of weapons. And the freedom to change jobs just put it in the menu to change job by a button.

[NoctisUmbra]

Like I said above - we can still use light shot and bow weapon skills at melee range, so this comment means nothing in this game.

There's no more Light Shot in ARR. All basic ranged attack is handled by AA, the same AA that punches in close range. It simply switches back and forth based on distance.

That being said, again, this discussion is relatively trivial and isn't worth delaying ARR even a second.

[Reika]

There's no more Light Shot in ARR. All basic ranged attack is handled by AA, the same AA that punches in close range. It simply switches back and forth based on distance.

That being said, again, this discussion is relatively trivial and isn't worth delaying ARR even a second.

Doesn't make sense for it to bother switching back and forth when it could just stay arrow shots. If bow weapon skills are doable at melee range, bow auto attacks should be the same.