Permanent Death Servers

[Medura]

iloveyoupumpkin, your picture with "haters gonna hate" was first proof of being a troll. You did this mainly for the fun of having a discussion. But in all seriousness, if you had the choice between 10 normal servers, or 8 normal and 2 servers full of memory of thrash characters (one character takes lots of space, why do you think it costs more for sub?). Its already laggy enough as it is. And well, as this is a final fantasy game, some fights, you are supposed to die in. It is a reason we have raise spell you know?

[BlackomegaKingofwaffles]

I to would like a server specifically tailored to my silliest of whims, and don't bother telling me its a bad idea your only options are to agree with me or politely decline to join in my nonsense. We can do this guys together we can make a permanent death server where when you die your account gets banned, everyone within a 500 yalm radius of your death also dies, the sky is bright magenta and everyone has 8 legs!

[Medura]

I to would like a server specifically tailored to my silliest of whims, and don't bother telling me its a bad idea your only options are to agree with me or politely decline to join in my nonsense. We can do this guys together we can make a permanent death server where when you die your account gets banned, everyone within a 500 yalm radius of your death also dies, the sky is bright magenta and everyone has 8 legs!

well, this idea is at least more serious than op's post ^^

[IloveYouPumpkin]

I to would like a server specifically tailored to my silliest of whims, and don't bother telling me its a bad idea your only options are to agree with me or politely decline to join in my nonsense. We can do this guys together we can make a permanent death server where when you die your account gets banned, everyone within a 500 yalm radius of your death also dies, the sky is bright magenta and everyone has 8 legs!

I would love that thank you for the suggestion. I'm going to make a new thread now advocating account bans for dying. XD

[Jinrya-Geki]

Couldn't do it. I'd throw myself into traffic in a blind rage.

[AdvancedWind]

That would never work in FFXIV. I can assure you that the vast majority of the population, up to and including even the best players out there, can not last two weeks (and I'm being generous here) regularly doing endgame content without dying at least once. And each new content would essentially reset the entire server population.

I highly doubt even the most hardcore players would play on such a server for longer than a month. In other worlds, it would be a wasted effort.

This kind of model simply isn't feasible for this game, as much as it can be fun in other games that are prepared from the ground up to have it.

[Majidah]

Just because something exists in other games, it doesn't mean it's applicable to every game model.

[AdvancedWind]

Please explain to me the gear that you have in mind which requires death in order to obtain, other than relic and primal loot? Triple melded crafted gear? Oh wait... it's crafted. Last I checked triple melded gear was on par if not the best.

I played D3 and I know how effin hard it was and still is to beat inferno mode on a normal server let alone Hardcore. And people still played Hardcore Mode (perma death) for that matter. One of the top D3 players in Europe (live feed n all) actually got killed by a bunch of wyverns in Act 3 or 4 (dont remember)Hardcore Inferno because he alt tabbed out for a few seconds. You should have seen him laugh it off then say "oh well its just a game" despite having lost in one second of stupidity 60+ hours of gameplay.

Please read and re-read till you understand this:

Just because something exists in other games, it doesn't mean it's applicable to every game model.

Final Fantasy XIV is -not- made to be played that way, it's as simple as that. You keep using Diablo as an example, but you might as well compare it to Nethack, both comparisons make no sense. You are talking about completely different games.

What you are asking is akin to asking for a solo only server, a level 1 server, a one hit kills everything (including you) server, or a chocobo racing onry server. All of those "modes" can be genuinely fun, can be found on other games and work well on these games, but Final Fantasy XIV has not been designed to support them. It would be a wasted effort unless they completely rebalanced the game for / on that server.

[Matsume]

How good a PLD is isn't messured on whether or not a crappy WHM let him die once.

What kind of a fool would play on such a server with bafoons liable to let them die? If you would have read the first post in the thread you would understand that one of the merits for such a server is that it would build an extremely tight knit community. Players would party with freinds they know they can depend upon.

I think it would be a lot of fun if implemented correctly. Perhaps instead of when you die, you have a 5:00 timer after you die that, if you don't receive a raise in time, you die for good. Albeit less hardcore, it still wounds like it would provide a lot of fun.

EDIT: And honestly, this game doesn't offer much of a challenge as it is; implementing this urgency of getting a raise in the allotted time is a lot more exciting than just mindlessly running content over and over. One of the best parts of playing new content is figuring out the best way to overcome it, and to me it seems a lot more exciting when there's a huge risk involved.

This.

This is not the type of game you ever want to lose your progress in. All jobs to 50+ and get the best gear for it to be destroyed. It works in Diablo because it isn't hard to get another character up and going if you do die.

What's hard about Powerleveling a job to 50 in 2 days or spamming enter a bajillion times til your crafter/gatherer dings 50? Actually like someone else mentioned a smart player would likely have a separate character dedicated to crafting and gathering so that if his battle character died that progress wouldn't be lost.

Common Sense is severely lacking in this neck of the woods.

Please read and re-read till you understand this:



Final Fantasy XIV is -not- made to be played that way, it's as simple as that. You keep using Diablo as an example, but you might as well compare it to Nethack, both comparisons make no sense. You are talking about completely different games.

What you are asking is akin to asking for a solo only server, a level 1 server, a one hit kills everything (including you) server, or a chocobo racing onry server. All of those "modes" can be genuinely fun, can be found on other games and work well on these games, but Final Fantasy XIV has not been designed to support them. It would be a wasted effort unless they completely rebalanced the game for / on that server.

Actually I only used Diablo as an example once for the fact that I played it and to illustrate that you have a choice how to be affected by the outcome. The rest of your balony is superfluous. The OP is not asking for anything akin to that nonsense.

Frankly, as interesting an idea as this is, there wouldn't be enough demand for this sort of thing. At least not enough to warrant changing the game code and dedicating the server space for it.

Completely subjective

Even IF there was a server like that, It would be completely empty.
Because all you have to do is get unlucky with 1 boss, and you lose everything.

Another subjective opinion having no foundation on fact

[AdvancedWind]

The rest of your balony is superfluous. The OP is not asking for anything akin to that nonsense

Yes, he is. All my examples are for server modes that wouldn't work in Final Fantasy XIV, just like a perma death server wouldn't.

Also, I like how everyone's ideas on the matter are subjective, except, of course, your own. A lot of people have already pointed out why it wouldn't work in this game.


Please tell us why do you think permadeath would work in a game whose content is designed to kill people over the slightest mistake and mispositioning (and losing a single member - the white mage - means full party wipe 9 times out of 10), that is unsoloable, in which some enemies have instant kill abilities, that is extremely time consuming (powerleveling to 50 is only the first step), the combat is not completely skill based and you cannot just avoid everything given enough skill, with ridiculously low drop rates and little to no actual way to retreat from a losing battle other than hoping that return will kick off before something aggros you.

Every pearma death game I know is designed in a way that most of the stuff I've written does not apply.