Permanent Death Servers

[IloveYouPumpkin]

Mihanna you miss the point. What you just wrote up is a post of your opinions. Yes it would be elitist. Yes spending so much time acquiring your gear and then losing all of that hard work would be absolutely horrendous. No one would enjoy dying. It would not be a fun thing at all to die. This is the point, as hard as it is for some of you to understand that. Diablo 2 is the only game I personally played which had this permanent death system and let me tell you, losing my level 96 necro who I had played with for almost 2 years, had very high end gear (enigma, hoto etc etc). I lost that character to a freaking tp glitching pk'er. He freaking killed me by exploiting the game. It was terrible of course. All that hard work gone because of an exploit they had yet to patch.

I made another character after he died. That is the nature of it all. This is what people have to do when they die if they want to play again on perma death servers. Otherwise they just go back to a normal server.

It doesn't have to be fair. That's all there is to it. There doesn't need to be any change at all to the game for them to make these servers. All SE needs to do is make it abundantly clear that characters will not be resurrected for any reason including lag or exploiters. This is what blizzard did and hardly anyone complained about dying for stupid reasons. The ones that did, just got a simple message explaining what they already knew and agreed to before making that character.

[Mihana]

Mihanna you miss the point. What you just wrote up is a post of your opinions. Yes it would be elitist. Yes spending so much time acquiring your gear and then losing all of that hard work would be absolutely horrendous. No one would enjoy dying. It would not be a fun thing at all to die. This is the point, as hard as it is for some of you to understand that. Diablo 2 is the only game I personally played which had this permanent death system and let me tell you, losing my level 96 necro who I had played with for almost 2 years, had very high end gear (enigma, hoto etc etc). I lost that character to a freaking tp glitching pk'er. He freaking killed me by exploiting the game. It was terrible of course. All that hard work gone because of an exploit they had yet to patch.

I made another character after he died. That is the nature of it all. This is what people have to do when they die if they want to play again on perma death servers. Otherwise they just go back to a normal server.

I'm afraid you miss something too, it's not going to work in a game such as this. Like someone (Sorry I forgot your name.) said earlier the entire game is heavily based around teamwork. I haven't played Diablo III or much of Diablo II but I do know the combat system is vastly different than it is here. Granted we haven't fully seen the combat system for ARR it's obvious enough that there's no form of a dodging system in place beyond evasion and hoping it triggers. It's very easy for something to go wrong, even for the most skilled players and potentially cause a party wipe.

And like I said, lag, disconnections even, can play a very big role in this. Although SE did say the servers will be more responsive than they are now for ARR the engine I just don't believe will be on par with something that could support a suggestion like yours.

It doesn't have to be fair. That's all there is to it. There doesn't need to be any change at all to the game for them to make these servers. All SE needs to do is make it abundantly clear that characters will not be resurrected for any reason including lag or exploiters. This is what blizzard did and hardly anyone complained about dying for stupid reasons. The ones that did, just got a simple message explaining what they already knew and agreed to before making that character.

And as I said in my previous post if you really do want such a system already it can be done in almost any game. Find a group of friends or like-minded players, all agree to create a character and use a permanent-death system. You die, you don't hit return or anything, just log out and delete. And if you really want to test out that idea gather up those interested in it now and when ARR arrives choose a designated server to try these out on.

By the way one other flaw, and I may be wrong on this. If I am, please do correct me. I believe that in addition to letting us have multiple characters with no extra fees depending on your payment plan you'll be locked to a specific server. Again I may be wrong on this so if someone can enlighten me on this part please do. I think it was mentioned in a letter or something a long time ago.

[Deceptistar]

SE's game isnt designed for a perma death server. Just trying to get to a new camp for tele acquisition will get your character killed and deleted, nvm even trying for particular materia, artifacts, or crafting outside npc sold items. All youll get is a server full of crafters and a severe lack of tanks and healers and ending up grinding on mobs for 50exp per cause even leves have the chance to kill you due to outside mob location.

[Matsume]

SE's game isnt designed for a perma death server. Just trying to get to a new camp for tele acquisition will get your character killed and deleted, nvm even trying for particular materia, artifacts, or crafting outside npc sold items. All youll get is a server full of crafters and a severe lack of tanks and healers and ending up grinding on mobs for 50exp per cause even leves have the chance to kill you due to outside mob location.

I disagree. I don't know of many usefull aetheryte camps that can't be acquired without death. Nor do I know of any gatherable materials that cannot be acquired without death. I don't see how acquiring any materia is based on dieing either and AF gear is push over content. AV and CC speed runs can easily be done without dieing but then again, who needs darklight anyway? Besides Relic Weapons and Primals I believe most of the content in his game can be done without dieing.

All of these negative responses are actually subjective opinions masked as objective facts. I see a lot of "SE is too lazy" and "the servers can't handle this" or even "the game isn't designed for this" but none of that is true in any way, shape or form. I'll remind you all the FFXI had an experience loss and deleveling mechanism built into death - if such is possible then permanent death ought to be too.

Again it's as Flan Flan says, if you don't like it then don'tp lay on it. I still don't see a valid reason why this could not be possible from a technical stand point. As for you Flan Flan, I hope to see you around on sargatanas in the future realm reborn. Cheers~~

[Deceptistar]

I disagree. I don't know of many usefull aetheryte camps that can't be acquired without death. Nor do I know of any gatherable materials that cannot be acquired without death. I don't see how acquiring any materia is based on dieing either and AF gear is push over content. AV and CC speed runs can easily be done without dieing but then again, who needs darklight anyway? Besides Relic Weapons and Primals I believe most of the content in his game can be done without dieing.

All of these negative responses are actually subjective opinions masked as objective facts. I see a lot of "SE is too lazy" and "the servers can't handle this" or even "the game isn't designed for this" but none of that is true in any way, shape or form. I'll remind you all the FFXI had an experience loss and deleveling mechanism built into death - if such is possible then permanent death ought to be too.

Again it's as Flan Flan says, if you don't like it then don'tp lay on it. I still don't see a valid reason why this could not be possible from a technical stand point. As for you Flan Flan, I hope to see you around on sargatanas in the future realm reborn. Cheers~~

your not really thinking hard are you. Your not realizing that your refute is based on the fact that the actions on the permadeath server, is a complete mirror of the current nonperma one with the gear obtained through nonperma dungeons and the experience gained through the current non-perma death servers. Basically your not fully immersing yourself in perma death environment and society before saying things can be done. Such a server also affects human psychology as no one wants their characters to be in the top hate list if something goes wrong.

This is a forum and a general discussion. You are bound to get answeres that you dont like. Unless its some sort of troll post, saying not to reply to such a thread you might as well have the OP state in bold red that they only want posts that agree with him. Because that is what you are encouraging by saying "if you don't like it then don'tp lay on it"

[Felis]

I disagree. I don't know of many usefull aetheryte camps that can't be acquired without death. Nor do I know of any gatherable materials that cannot be acquired without death. I don't see how acquiring any materia is based on dieing either and AF gear is push over content. AV and CC speed runs can easily be done without dieing but then again, who needs darklight anyway? Besides Relic Weapons and Primals I believe most of the content in his game can be done without dieing.

Can you give me your account data for A Realm Reborn?
I want to see it myself ^^

[Andrien]

If Flan Flan wants to go to a perma death server, I'm not stopping him. lol. I'll stay right where I am, thank you very much.

[Matsume]

your not really thinking hard are you. Your not realizing that your refute is based on the fact that the actions on the permadeath server, is a complete mirror of the current nonperma one with the gear obtained through nonperma dungeons and the experience gained through the current non-perma death servers. Basically your not fully immersing yourself in perma death environment and society before saying things can be done. Such a server also affects human psychology as no one wants their characters to be in the top hate list if something goes wrong.

This is a forum and a general discussion. You are bound to get answeres that you dont like. Unless its some sort of troll post, saying not to reply to such a thread you might as well have the OP state in bold red that they only want posts that agree with him. Because that is what you are encouraging by saying "if you don't like it then don'tp lay on it"

Please explain to me the gear that you have in mind which requires death in order to obtain, other than relic and primal loot? Triple melded crafted gear? Oh wait... it's crafted. Last I checked triple melded gear was on par if not the best.

I played D3 and I know how effin hard it was and still is to beat inferno mode on a normal server let alone Hardcore. And people still played Hardcore Mode (perma death) for that matter. One of the top D3 players in Europe (live feed n all) actually got killed by a bunch of wyverns in Act 3 or 4 (dont remember)Hardcore Inferno because he alt tabbed out for a few seconds. You should have seen him laugh it off then say "oh well its just a game" despite having lost in one second of stupidity 60+ hours of gameplay.

I guarentee you if there was just ONE perma death server there would be more than enough demand to fill it, for the simple fact that it presents a challenge and players love challenges. I think that is a valid reason in it's own and I don't think it would be a server wasted contrary to all you negative nancys.

Besides no one said not to reply to this post nor to criticize it and that is not at all what I am encouraging by saying "if yu don't like the idea don't play on the server" more specifically I am encouraging this kind of attitude:

If Flan Flan wants to go to a perma death server, I'm not stopping him. lol. I'll stay right where I am, thank you very much.

And what's wrong with that?

[IloveYouPumpkin]

Refer to my other post about teamwork.

Its a brutal system Mihanna. Unforgiving and absolutely brutal. Can be very unfair as well. Many tears would fall. Some might jump out their window. Meanwhile Mihanna, you can enjoy the game on your normal server. You never have to experience the horror of permanent death. It would never be forced on you in any way whatsoever. Fair enough? No? Well then, it is what it is.

If Flan Flan wants to go to a perma death server, I'm not stopping him. lol. I'll stay right where I am, thank you very much.

I like this response very much. You understand!

[Mihana]

One, It's Mihana, there isn't two "n" in my name.

Two, I'm not trying to fuss about having to play on a server like that. They exist, fine. What I'm trying to do is explain why it would not work in a game such as this. Brutal or not, forgiving or unforgiving the community just isn't the same like other games. Groups would branch off into their own segments like we sometime see now. In short it would be very inhospitable. What's the point of even having a community if everyone refuses to cooperate?

Overall there's just too many factors that would go against supporting a permanent-death server for the development team, and more headaches than it would be worth.