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  1. #121
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    Forget the new players for a minute... how about the current playerbase? The "loyal" players.. new players may come along, sample the game and move on.
    This is an extremely cynical view. The fact is, the game needs new players. SE has a chance to do that with this "new" product.

    There is less guarantee that a new player will stay versus a loyal player who is more willing to put up with flaws. Therefore, fix what's broken 1st before you add on.
    They are fixing what's broken. Therefore, time to add on. Even the current players will get tired of the game if nothing new is added in favor of only fixing things til there's nothing left to be fixed. Yay, they fixed leveling... oh wait, people have everything to 50 already. Yay, they fixed the loot system... but wait, there isn't any new content to get loot from. Yay, they fixed the comabt system... Oh wait, we a'ready beat everything.

    Fixes and content have to be balanced. If you don't add new content, people get bored. If you leave broken things in the game, people get frustrated. You can't just do one thing or the other.

    But what of the other issues/concerns.
    We're not in the dark. Or did you miss all the countless community rep posts stating "we're changing this in 2.0! We're fixing this in 2.0!" They don't just say stuff like this for poops and giggles. We're just as entitle to new content as we are to bug fixes. They have a responsibility to deliver BOTH.
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    Last edited by Alhanelem; 09-30-2012 at 02:21 PM.

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    ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resheph View Post
    ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this thread
    lmao.. I know right?

    Alhanelem:
    Im tired... Im gonna sleep.
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  4. #124
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    Stalling? What am I stalling from?
    Half of your comments have no bearing on actual constructive criticism. You just want me to put my criticism aside for some reason. Stuff you've said that offers nothing to the issue but was just said in an effort to get me to drop it:
    1) Chocobo companions were announced long ago, if you didn't complain back then you shouldn't complain now
    2) It's just concept art, so because it isn't in the actual game, you can't criticize it
    3) Other people might like it, so you should shut up.
    4) Devs don't have to cater to you

    That's all beside the point. These forums are for FEEDBACK.

    These kinds of comments offer nothing to constructive discussion. You just want me to shut up or wait until its...not concept art, to complain. This is why you come off as stalling.

    I know its concept art. And the concept it is showing is awkawrd. And now that we've gone further into the issue, I'm questioning the gameplay that surrounds chocobo companions.

    Your retorts make no sense. I didn't discuss the degree of difference- In this particular case, the concept art has something of a comical look to it. Do you see anything in the actual game you could describe that way? The basic gist of it may be the same, but it may become grittier/tough as it evolves. Concept art also evolves with multiple iterations most of the time. HOw much of a difference you can expect depends on how early the art is.
    The concept looks goofy and will assuredly be goofy once its implemented, whether it looks...grittier, or tougher, whatever, not sure why you brought that up at all. Go look at the garuda concept art and tell me how different it was from implementation. Why the hell would I assume the implementation of goofy chocobo black mage will be drastically different than the art? If I ignore what they show me I have nothing to go by.

    And if there is no criticism, there is little impetus to change it. This is why you come off like you are stalling.

    It doesn't seem backward to me. They're sidekicks, not party fillers. I'm guessing you don't like henchmen and mercenaries in any game because that's what they do in every MMO.
    Actually no, I liked henchmen in GW1 and heroes in the GW expansion packs, because they filled up my group when I couldn't find anyone else. The function there made sense since the content was based on 8 group members for pretty much everything. I'm trying to figure out the purpose of chocobos now. The addition of chocobos looks like it will shift the soloing experience so that I always need to have a companion. And right now it's lookin like slim pickins black mage chocobo goofball.

    Also, I said "even if there are no other restrictions-" There probably will be, for instance if the Chocobo/merc/pet/whatever is KOd you most likely won't be able to just call it again right then and there, because that would be broken. There is probably a cooldown between calls, yada yada. It's a "bonus" to have when you can have it, not a "gimp" to take away from you when you're without it. It's basically no different than having the rested EXP bonus versus not having it. You can be negative and look at it as being gimped when you dont have the bonus or be positive and look at it as the bonus that it is.
    That's all just speculation. But if I call him every once in a while when I need help, yeah, it's a bonus. If I am able to keep him out all the time, then I should probably have him out all the time, thus I am tethered to a chocobo at all times or else reducing my efficiency. This is what I mean by gimp. It's not just about having a positive or negative outlook though I know you want to paint me in a certain way.

    I honestly really don't care that much whether you like the content or not. What i don't like is you acting like your opinion deserves priority and that the devs should scrap stuff just because your personal tastes don't agree with it. The fact is, some people don't like it and some people do. Why should content be cut from the game when there ARE people that are interested in it?
    Here's what I don't like. People trying to stop constructive criticism because other peoples feelings might get hurt.
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  5. #125
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    Just so you know, in ancient times horses and other animals were trained for warfare to give an hand to soldiers crushing and bite enemies. This is the same concept, in a fantasy setting. Is really that game breaking ?
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  6. #126
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    My chocobo will do as a companion till i get my path companion as one, im really hoping they can do them so they are a real companion much like the 'normal' FF games.
    But we will see when we eventually get some info about it.

    I did think the Choco AF armour looked meh, but i can understand why they did it and why a lot of people will like it. I would have prefer more normal armour styles on them and only having 3 ways that they can fight along side you, keep it simple but useful.

    Now being able to fight off the back of your chocobo is something i'd have been a hell of a lot more intrested in.
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    Last edited by Esk; 09-30-2012 at 09:03 PM.

  7. #127
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    It took ppl an whole year+ to realize that we would be fighting with choco's wth......
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    Regarding the many people who have debated Red XIII (and/or his race) being a mount. Red XIII is a sentient creature capable of communication, and evidence (re: Red XIII's backstory) suggests that all of his race are similar. People should not argue to have Red XIII's race as a mount. They should argue to have them as a playable race. Just because they walk on four legs doesn't mean they suddenly are happy for people to hop on their backs and act like their slaves. If we were to ride them, I would imagine they would take us places of their choosing and dump us there, surrounded by L99 aggro mobs, tell us to fuck off and stop pretending they're a horse/chocobo and then run away, leaving us to die. That'll learn us!

    Riding Red XIII's race is like asking for a Vieira mount. No, no, no, don't start asking for tha--- oh, God, what have I done...

    Maybe Red XIII's race would make for a suitable companion race (non-mountable) alongside hume, roegadyn, etc. ...but really, I think it's best that such a race as his is left in VII's universe.
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    doop doop

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharazisspecial View Post
    I dont mind them being an option just not our only option .
    Be happy we are getting a companion to fight with at all. As for more options I am never against such an idea but perhaps that is something that would be added later on if the demand for it was high enough.
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  10. #130
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loony_BoB View Post
    Riding Red XIII's race is like asking for a Vieira mount.
    Well when you put it that way...
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