A cure for surplus.... kinda..

[Aramil]

Personally I agree with the OP and Keith. The idea need to be tweak but it's not bad. I'd see something like a 5%sp/xp surplus penalty when you die, timer of 30min, not further penalty if you die again and a npc at the crystal that can remove it for a fee(the fee depending of your rank).

While I do appreciate the "tension" that death penalty bring, that's not why i want it. Like I said in another topic it's because without a urge to survive, a lot of game mechanic aren't use as intended or at all.

Just from the current mechanic the 3 that come to mind are food, healing items and armor ranks.

Currently almost nobody is using food or healing items. Why would they? If death isn't something bad, there's no reason to pay for a 1 time use item that will save your life once. Just take the 3 mins weakness.

Same thing for the armors, despite armors having a favored rank, a lot of people are skipping mid rank armors to go directly at the higher ones. The stats penalty was suppose to be there to dissuade that but since dying don't matter, the stat penalty don't matter either.

[Corrderio]

I got my own cure, remove the crap system. The whole "keeping hardcore and casual at the same level" concept is a total joke.

[Keftenk]

A cure for surplus: Remove it.

People completely misunderstand it, the mechanic isn't even doing what it was intended for, and it just overall hurts the image of the game when the consumer thinks about purchasing the game. "Isn't that the game where you can only exp for a certain amount of hours per week?"

[Jibe]

A cure for surplus: Remove it.

People completely misunderstand it, the mechanic isn't even doing what it was intended for, and it just overall hurts the image of the game when the consumer thinks about purchasing the game. "Isn't that the game where you can only exp for a certain amount of hours per week?"

I very much agree with this. If you want to benefit casual players, don't penalize hard core ones. They should have an SP bonus system to benefit casuals, such as a rested SP bonus where you build up the bonus from being logged off of the game.

[Keftenk]

It doesn't even really have to deal with hardcore players.
You can play this game, semi-casual (8-10hrs a week) and earn 200k-300k easy.

[SirEdeonX]

I very much agree with this. If you want to benefit casual players, don't penalize hard core ones. They should have an SP bonus system to benefit casuals, such as a rested SP bonus where you build up the bonus from being logged off of the game.

And you don't think people would complain about that? A game that benefits those who do not play it XD

[Eekiki]

I very much agree with this. If you want to benefit casual players, don't penalize hard core ones. They should have an SP bonus system to benefit casuals, such as a rested SP bonus where you build up the bonus from being logged off of the game.

People would argue that this is exactly what the surplus system is, that "normal" SP is actually "bonus" SP, and in surplus mode you're earning "normal" SP.]

Of course, this is not true, but that's the logic the fanboys are using.

If you continue to play in surplus mode, eventually you will earn 0 SP per kill. Getting 0 SP for killing a monster is not normal. It's a penalty. Yeah, it takes a TON of grinding that only the stupidly insane hardcore players (or RMT bots) would do, but that's how it works nonetheless.

Even so, I think most of us have seen that the surplus system does not deter the hardcore or RMTs from doing what they do, and it fails to keep the casual players on the same level as the hardcore. I've been playing casually since CE launch, and I'm only just now getting into NM hunting, something that has already been well-established for awhile now.

[Eekiki]

And you don't think people would complain about that? A game that benefits those who do not play it XD

Folks who play WoW don't seem to have a problem with that, and there's quite a few of them last I checked.

[Akumu]

And you don't think people would complain about that? A game that benefits those who do not play it XD

Nah only the ignorant would complain about it unless SE made the rested xp with overpowered gains. In WoW the rested xp just allowed someone to get back within range of a dedicated leveler. However the dedicated person would still be ahead with gear, enchants, and etc.

The surplus system is really annoying though. I have a lot of fun until I hit it then I get really bored. Leveling other jobs does not make it replenish fast enough(if it does at all). So in the end I have to wait a week... Why the hell is my character so lazy it takes a week for him to get his strength back?

[Keftenk]

Nah only the ignorant would complain about it unless SE made the rested xp with overpowered gains. In WoW the rested xp just allowed someone to get back within range of a dedicated leveler. However the dedicated person would still be ahead with gear, enchants, and etc.

The surplus system is really annoying though. I have a lot of fun until I hit it then I get really bored. Leveling other jobs does not make it replenish fast enough(if it does at all). So in the end I have to wait a week... Why the hell is my character so lazy it takes a week for him to get his strength back?

Not disagreeing with you, but why do you stop leveling the current job when you hit surplus? It's only a -10% loss. How is not earning an additional 10k making the game so unfun for you that you stop all together on that job? I'm confused.