Thread: A civilized opinion and discussion of what I think is happening with ARR vs 1.0

Ok, what is a inevitable is the fact that SE wont please everyone, in fact nobody ever is able to please everthing, that is the nature of things. I can already see threads in a few months from people complaning about 2.0 and how 1.0 was better. I can almost see it lol.

I will try to share my IDEAS of what I think happened and it happening with all this "grass issues" , animation "down grades" AI this AI that.

Plase keep the white knithing away and the trolling away.

Onto my ideas. Keep in mind that these are things I think happened to be civilized on your responses.

At the very beggning and early planning stages of 14, I think Tanaka, SE and everyone else involved were tooo ambitious and had no real CLEAR idea of what to do. Graphicwise the game was TOO TAXING on systems and I think we got "spoiled" by the still AMAZING level of detail the game had. This includes the "little animations that we all love" like walking, momentum etc etc etc.

We all know and can speculate if the game was rushed, poorly coded bla bla bla. That is all in the past and that happened and it is what it is.

ARR is what i think the game "was supposed to be" Maybe SE targeted too high on graphics and other things? I am by no means a master or an expert at coding and all that stuff but makes me think that perhaps they aimted too high and in order for htem to have the game "funcional" and more "playable" they needed to do some downgrades.

We CANT have everything can we? I am not saying this is good or this is bad, but it is what it will be and there is almost NOTHING we can do at this point to change SE mind on the direction the game is heading.

All there is left for us to do is to wait, see the final product (post BETA) and then make our choice if what is delivered to us appeals to us or not.

I personally do NOT want this game to be a WoW clone. I like what a Final Fantasy stands for. Story, exploration, AMAZING cut scenes and things like that.

WoW, Rift, and even the newly-released guild wars 2, have a very VERY poor story telling mechanic. Most of those games are about PVP and "tier or seasons" of gear.

From the last trailer I saw, (THE TGS one) in MY opinion the graphics (I DARE SAY IT) even look "cell-shaded" it look bad for me and totaly looks more cartoony. That is the way i see it and well once the game is out I will decide if is appeals to me or not.

All the other things "the grass" the "animations" this, that.. well people we gain some things we loose others. In the end we will decie if what SE delives to us will be wroth our money.

I am starting to get a little bit "affraid" of the direction the game is taking. If this ends up being a "World of Fantasycraft" i am gone!

Originally Posted by Darkhaund

Plase keep the white knithing away and the trolling away.

I am starting to get a little bit "affraid" of the direction the game is taking. If this ends up being a "World of Fantasycraft" i am gone!

Civilized.

yeah.. civilized.. i will not rant, complain,

If ARR turns out to be like WoW, Rift, etc... Iwill pass
I left those games for a reason, and I hope this does not turn like those

Functional gameplay doesn't require bad graphics. It however may require a powerful computer, never does it mean you cant have gameplay.

SE may be out of resources to make better graphics however.


Upcoming mmos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNtB5DoJ6OI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=l2jZbNHa3jc


Not saying they should look exactly like those. But SE isnt as far as it thinks in "best graphics evaah MMO"

If those "Upcoming MMOs" are Korean they shouldn't even be mentioned, there's a reason even Tera failed in Korea.

I second that. Those games DO look "good" but I havent found a korean MMO of my liking

A few months ago I made a post of my ideas that the PS3 would limit this game. A lot of people bashed me for that and well THE PS3 is at its final stages.

I still think making this game was a huge limitation.

Originally Posted by Elexia

If those "Upcoming MMOs" are Korean they shouldn't even be mentioned, there's a reason even Tera failed in Korea.

I dont think that matters. Thats like saying if that mmo is Japanese it shouldn't count, there is a reason why FFXIV failed at launch.

Originally Posted by Shougun

I dont think that matters. Thats like saying if that mmo is Japanese it shouldn't count, there is a reason why FFXIV failed at launch.

Not the same thing at all. You were using the "good graphics and good gameplay" as an example with those new MMOs, yet Tera had good graphics and good gameplay as well and failed in it's own home country when they're a lot more forgiving than the western base is.

Making any kind of sacrifices or trying to conform to x standard is what kills off MMOs and why people are upset about what seems to be happening with ARR.

Originally Posted by Shougun

Functional gameplay doesn't require bad graphics. It however may require a powerful computer, never does it mean you cant have gameplay.

SE may be out of resources to make better graphics however.


Upcoming mmos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNtB5DoJ6OI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=l2jZbNHa3jc


Not saying they should look exactly like those. But SE isnt as far as it thinks in "best graphics evaah MMO"

I agree that SE is going overboard with the "best ever looking mmo," but those games you listed have the visual design aspects that turned off so many people from 1.0, especially the second one. Outside of the heavy trailer editing, all I see are empty fields.