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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Herp de dur. Yoshida specifically said it wasn't intended and they're changing it because they dont want it to continue. When playing a game, if its not what the dev intended and they say they don't like it - its an exploit.
    What you're doing now is called cherry-picking. Selectively choosing only the details that suit your argument, while ignoring anything that doesn't.

    In this case, the parts you're ignoring completely destroys your argument.

    Again: SE knew people were doing it and were monitoring it, per their own say so. They adjusted it because it was showing to be more profitable than they had intended or anticipated. Thus they adjusted it to make it less so. That they were monitoring it, yet didn't say anything until the moment they decided to adjust it should make it clear enough to you that they obviously had no issue with the idea itself...

    Have you seen SE call it an exploit? No. Have you seen them referring to it as cheating? No. That should tell you all you need to know.

    One more time, and read this slowly: No One Was Exploiting. Keep reading that 'til it sinks in.
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    Last edited by Preypacer; 09-21-2012 at 09:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Now they need to fix the rest of it.

    This proves what was happening wasn't not intended (thusly an exploit).
    Oh FFS...

    It is not an exploit. SE has already said themselves that they expected people would figure it out and sell stuff off. They just didn't anticipate how much people would be doing it and, hence, how much money it would be generating. They said they'd been monitoring it before they decided to take action.

    Thus they knew it was happening. They didn't come out and say "Hey guys, that's an exploit. Please don't do it", and they announced that they'd merely be adjusting the rates to put a cap on it.

    To repeat, for those who maybe need to read it twice: SE was aware it would happen. SE was monitoring the amount of gil generated from it. SE was not anticipating the degree to which people would do it (MMO devs - all of them - seem to repeatedly underestimate the tenacity and creativity of players...). SE decided it needed to be adjusted... so that's what they did.. Adjusted it.

    That some greedy individuals decided to abuse the economy by driving the prices up of everything is an entirely different issue. People have been selling things for insane prices going all the way back. Months ago, I tried getting back into the game by playing a new class, and couldn't afford anything on the MW, even the cheapest "dated" low level items were going for 100s of thousands of gil. This was well before anyone even knew there would be an Atomos, much less that this event would take place. Funny thing is, when I posted about the prices being ridiculously high back then, no one even seemed surprised, much less outraged. Now all of a sudden it's some big deal.

    So please, get off the whole "zomg exploit!" thing already. It's not an exploit. SE has indicated as much. They are the ones to make that determination - not you. And no, repeating "exploit!" and "cheat!" over and over again will not change that.
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    Last edited by Preypacer; 09-21-2012 at 09:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Now they need to fix the rest of it.

    This proves what was happening wasn't not intended (thusly an exploit).
    Not exactly, considering they hot fixed the issue once but didn't drop the gil prices til the second time. (Lowered drop rates), means they didn't mind it til it got out of hand and people kept doing it. Thus becoming an exploit, though you would think if it was unintentional at first they would have hot fixed it a hell of a lot sooner considering some people were making 10+ million a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia View Post
    Not exactly, considering they hot fixed the issue once but didn't drop the gil prices til the second time. (Lowered drop rates), means they didn't mind it til it got out of hand and people kept doing it. Thus becoming an exploit, though you would think if it was unintentional at first they would have hot fixed it a hell of a lot sooner considering some people were making 10+ million a day.

    It may have not originated as an exploit but because everyone focused on it - and because it became the source of the most worthless gil experience - it turned into an exploit. You dont stomp on a items gil price to 1 gil if it was just a little boo boo.

    They did mind it - they thought the first hotfix would have "fixed" it. Obviously it didn't, so they drop kicked the money makers.
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    Last edited by Shougun; 09-22-2012 at 12:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynn View Post
    This was the correct fix, good job SE.
    it is the correct fix, however why do you feel they deserve a proverbial pat on the ass?
    this is what should have been done to begin with.
    if you reward shit (in this case failing to understand the problem) you get more shit in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRac25 View Post
    it is the correct fix, however why do you feel they deserve a proverbial pat on the ass?
    this is what should have been done to begin with.
    if you reward shit (in this case failing to understand the problem) you get more shit in the future.
    Are you daft? Why would they have made items you can already craft 1 gil to begin with excluding arrows/throwing weapons for obvious reasons?
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    Thank the Twelve, now I hope people will do something other than farm Atomos!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BotenAnna View Post
    Thank the Twelve, now I hope people will do something other than farm Atomos!
    This 100% Please people can we actually go out and do stuff!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayden View Post
    This 100% Please people can we actually go out and do stuff!
    I got together a Natalan party tonight :3

    It still sucked because like nobody wants to take up WAR and spiritbond but someone wanted to level WHM at least and I got to 49 ARC so yay!
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    This has however ruined provision and supply missions. From being able to pay back some or perhaps all of your resources to well, nothing. There go my plans and about 500,000g of stored up materials. Guess I'll be stocking up to high hell on every GC consumable as i have no gear i need and am already at 50k.
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