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    It wasnt much shorter than other ways to obtain gil, and not even less annoying.
    I bought dawn drops too after i had no (useful) items left to buy, but not because it was the best way to make gil, i did it because i did work on my Seals achievements which i had to spent seals for to earn new ones.

    The money i made through this is a very small percentage of what i earned in the 2 years before and now someone like you is telling us most of it should be deleted just because u dont have that much.
    Dont tell me its because u think it wasnt legit or something like that. Its because ur pissed that ppl have more than u.

    In all those years of playing MMORPGs i NEVER used any bot program or tried to get an advantage out of Bugs/exploits and i dont let you call me an exploiter just because u were to lazy to use something SE KNEW about.

    Its clearly said by Yoshi-P that they knew about this methods to make gil out of seals and that they just were surprised that ppl spent that much time on it to get a use out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alegis View Post
    It wasnt much shorter than other ways to obtain gil, and not even less annoying.
    I bought dawn drops too after i had no (useful) items left to buy, but not because it was the best way to make gil, i did it because i did work on my Seals achievements which i had to spent seals for to earn new ones.

    The money i made through this is a very small percentage of what i earned in the 2 years before and now someone like you is telling us most of it should be deleted just because u dont have that much.
    Dont tell me its because u think it wasnt legit or something like that. Its because ur pissed that ppl have more than u.

    In all those years of playing MMORPGs i NEVER used any bot program or tried to get an advantage out of Bugs/exploits and i dont let you call me an exploiter just because u were to lazy to use something SE KNEW about.

    Its clearly said by Yoshi-P that they knew about this methods to make gil out of seals and that they just were surprised that ppl spent that much time on it to get a use out of it.
    That's a fallacy. The amount of money he/she has or the time he/she spent making money for the last two years doesn't prove if that's legit or not. If you want to call it other way: Another person dedicated to making money through any of the traditional methods, wouldn't made that amount of money per hour.
    Seals farm is just another device to make money. Just as gathering, crafting, farming, instanced areas, etc. They planned it that way, but unlike the other methods, they didn't expected that disproportionate gains. So was unbalanced and so they are fixing it.
    Obviously is not like to duplicate drops in Salvage, which was a manifest bug and everyone knew it, but strictly speaking still a exploit. Even if you were not aware of the disarrangement of this method, from the moment they fix it, they recognize something went in an unexpected manner and EULA is clear about that.
    However I don't think it should be punishable in any way, although affected many people. Just bad luck, another black stain like garuda issue. What if you came late to take profit? just fuck you, nobody cares about Garuda now, so GTFO...

    Sad but it's life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nel_Celestine View Post
    with the exploit and the MASSIVE gil surge are a result, there should be a cap on gil per account going into 2.0 Yes people are going to get a reduction (9/10s) but there are people that have destroyed server economies with this exploit in their attempts to have the most gil / materials / etc. in 2.0 launch.

    With that in mind there should be a limit of say.. 10million per account (100 million currently) that should be allowed to transfer over. This hard cap would bleed out a lot of pointless gil gained from abusers of the Atomos event.
    well here's the thing. there are some of us that are well over 100 mil who didn't bother with atomos. if you want to come up with an idea on punishing those that did the event over and over then mention something like rolling gil back to where it was before it went in. the problem there turns into what about people that used that gil to buy gear? do we get rid of everything everyone did for the last few weeks? do they just roll back characters to the day the event went in? where is a fair point that would punish people that spammed the exploit without hurting those that played the game correctly? if you could answer that question i'd be interested in listening.

    i hate to say it, but there's not much they can do at this point because they allowed it to go on for too long to fix the damage caused by it. i had over 300mil when the event started and still have the same amount of gil, but i was running events and farming to upgrade my gear instead of atomos over and over. to say take characters back to before the event went in hurts the players that weren't abusing the event. like i said, it's the fault of yoshi for not getting this fixed long ago so we are pretty much stuck with the results by now.
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    The best alternative:

    Remove the gil that was flooded into the markets by those pawning dawn drops (the exploit). This would avoid punishing people who did not exploit it by imposing a cap or anything like that, and get rid the excess gil causing inflation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aysun View Post
    The best alternative:

    Remove the gil that was flooded into the markets by those pawning dawn drops (the exploit). This would avoid punishing people who did not exploit it by imposing a cap or anything like that, and get rid the excess gil causing inflation.
    now see this type of thing i would agree with.

    i just am against any idea that will punish the people not doing it while taking care of the guilty ones. that's why i stated i think at this point they left it in game too long to be able to take care of the printing press gil without also punishing the ones that didn't. i was just against the op because they were acting like everyone over a certain amount meant they were automatically involved. i know of people that were capped months ago which is long before the event was put in.
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    I know RMT's have been doing this with their alts - everyone gets 5K free seals from the Foundry Day guy. So basically they gave every rmt's plethra of alts ~1mil.
    GG SquareEnix. Not the smartest move ever made.

    There are ppl who earned more than you, get over it or go back to singleplayer games
    That's true to everyone, I dont think Nel_Celestine was angry at people who have more gil

    Any legitimate earner of gil wouldn't have to worry that much about this, only people who abused the Atomos event.
    Any time something is taken from your account, regardless of legitimacy, does not take it lightly. I don't think gil hoarding on characters really effects the market, because if by playing a game heading for a change and saving your gil is a bad thing, I don't think spending tirelessly when an expansion is on the horizon is the smart thing either. If I were anyone, start saving your gil/get geared or level your jobs... Oh wait, that's what you do in all MMOs... (>^.^)>
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    She's angry at the exploit and the fact that people are criticizing her for proposing an idea to fix it, not that she has less gil than them. Requesting this thread be closed for the sake of avoiding anymore childish name-calling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aysun View Post
    She's angry at the exploit and the fact that people are criticizing her for proposing an idea to fix it, not that she has less gil than them. Requesting this thread be closed for the sake of avoiding anymore childish name-calling.
    Jesus... there was no exploit.

    If the gil were an exploit, the seals and anima would have been an exploit too.
    And how many of u were getting a sh*tload of exp in the PL grind parties back then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alegis View Post
    Jesus... there was no exploit
    Yea okay, why do you think they're patching it??? It's an exploit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aysun View Post
    Yea okay, why do you think they're patching it??? It's an exploit.
    Why do you think they didnt patch it earlier (like the clusters)?
    Why do you think they didnt lowered the NPC sell price of that stuff before adding the event?

    What of "The development team has been observing the data for how much gil is being dished out (including the gil being generated when exchanging grand company seals), and it is currently higher than what was expected." dont u understand?

    They did EXPECT that ppl would generate Gil that way.
    If it had been an exploit, they would be surprised that ppl were able to make any gil that way.
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    Last edited by Alegis; 09-21-2012 at 07:07 AM.

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