Coincounter

[Thunderz]

That doesn't seem like the WAR would be very effective DMG-wise with that much HP. Where did they stack all that HP, anyway? My personal preference is always to go with DMG output, because it makes the fight shorter, and shorter fights = less chance of death for the rest of the party.

Tank just need to survive and hold hate

Being one shot is not fun... I've seen it happen several times >.>;

Also the Tanks output is irrelevant in this fight he just needs to survive the 100T moves

Dodging is very risky towards the end of the fight since it triggers the slugs (sound) which silences and amnesia's the mages...which is very well you know.

Its really a full proof plan....just pray the bastard doesn't Spam Animal Instinct

[Kitfox]

That doesn't seem like the WAR would be very effective DMG-wise with that much HP. Where did they stack all that HP, anyway? My personal preference is always to go with DMG output, because it makes the fight shorter, and shorter fights = less chance of death for the rest of the party.

Can get the HP from gear+food (apkallu omelette I believe). Having enough HP allows the tank to keep fighting through swing instead of running away = more dmg and more hate = safer for the party as long as you can't be one shot. The only thing that wipes the party with this strategy is trigger happy BLMs that don't stop after AI, or a very bad WHM. Could say it's the "simple way" of fighting Coincounter, tank&spank.

Of course, you can stack DD equipment, run away from Swing, sleep/kill slugs, move around, whatever. But there's a lot more moving parts in the equation. Simple = Less chance to screw up = safer for everyone = reliable.

Not to mention that I haven't seen a tank parse very high numbers compared to the rest of the party anyway, so in my opinion, keeping everyone safe is more important than trying inch a couple of DPS more. But that's just me, I'm sure there are amazing WARs/PLDs out there.

[Alerith]

Personally, I maintain enmity purely off of Fast/Flat and Flash. I save provoke exclusively for Animal Instinct. If you're good, you'll get back flashing red, and if you're really good, you can Stun Eye of the Beholder with Shield Bash which will likely be his next move after Animal Instinct.

A word of caution though: While he favors Eye of the Beholder after Animal Instinct, it is entirely possible for him to use 100 Tonz Swing instead, at which point you either need to have stunned him with Shield Bash, eat the attack with Aegis Boon or Sentinel, or run like hell.

[Brannigan]

Personally, I maintain enmity purely off of Fast/Flat and Flash. I save provoke exclusively for Animal Instinct. If you're good, you'll get back flashing red, and if you're really good, you can Stun Eye of the Beholder with Shield Bash which will likely be his next move after Animal Instinct.

Yeah I forgot about this. Don't use your Provoke past the first one. You don't need it. Save that for Animal Instinct. Personally I like to pause to confirm EotB on every AI, but if you have Aegis ready you can just block him if he 100 tonzes. I usually run CC on Warrior (but with like 3900 hp in dd/enm gear) so I am in the habit of dodging everything anyway.

Also Warrior gets a single get out of jail free card with Vengeance. FF/Foresight aren't 100% (don't risk a party wipe and speedrun loss on chance moves). Sentinel will usually mitigate enough also but there's no reason to risk that either.

Also there's no reason to stun Eye of the Beholder ever. The ranged classes shouldn't ever get hit by it.

[Musaid]

As warrior, I just constantly run between his legs starting around 70%. If he turns around he'll do either swipe or glower; at which point you're already going back through him. If he doesn't turn he'll do AI or swing. I leave enough room both sides to just run straight back to avoid the swing. Using this method I can also avoid glower, taking minimum damage and allowing the whm to deal damage for the majority of the fight instead.

[Judge_Xero]

As warrior, I just constantly run between his legs starting around 70%. If he turns around he'll do either swipe or glower; at which point you're already going back through him. If he doesn't turn he'll do AI or swing. I leave enough room both sides to just run straight back to avoid the swing. Using this method I can also avoid glower, taking minimum damage and allowing the whm to deal damage for the majority of the fight instead.

I've seen a video of someone tanking him like this. It looked pretty fun. It seems to create a lot of downtime for Coincounter because he won't do anything while he turns to face you.

[Musaid]

Just to add, I don't use provoke or flash past the first time; I save both for AI. I can generate enough enmity through damage in just hp gear (full HDL etc.) with blms going all out. This is for under 17m runs, but again as warrior.

[GreyJorildyn]

I dunno how that's possible. I keep my rotation very tight on coincounter and if I miss a skull sunder or slow down anywhere, then I will lose hate to the BLMs. I run full enmity set for this mob because of it and if I remove even a stonewall earring, I don't generate enough enmity lol. Might be my BLM are a bit more crazy than yours or something.

[Honz]

I dunno how that's possible. I keep my rotation very tight on coincounter and if I miss a skull sunder or slow down anywhere, then I will lose hate to the BLMs. I run full enmity set for this mob because of it and if I remove even a stonewall earring, I don't generate enough enmity lol. Might be my BLM are a bit more crazy than yours or something.

Musaid's never really lost hate on CC except on the occasional AI because a BLM didn't stop nuking. Our CC fights are usually about 1:30 with 4 of 5 BLMs doing 11-13k dmg each the last BLM is only doing less because of job change. Our BLMs are all fairly equal in gear, if one of your BLMs vastly outgears the others that could be an issue as well.

[Musaid]

Coincounter needs to go down in under 2mins, so blms can't really hold back. They need to keep walk mode on and cancel spells when AI is used. I have 165 enmity in the hp set from just Bravura and HDL though, that might play a part.