Auto Attack wins!

[solracht]

The bad AA implementation in FFXI encouraged bad gameplay by bad players.

Are you implying that people do their best in FFXIV right now? Take a look around the next time you group for guildleves or grind on raptors, you might be surprised by the suspiciously slow stamina regen (or even TP generation) some people seem to have!

[Kaedan]

If you don't get the the joke, I don't think you're quite qualified to talk about FF11 party tactics and society. It was rough and draconian. Everyone was pressured to be at 110%.



He doesn't get the "NA" joke. I think he's not a regular.

Umm... I played FFXI for 6 years and was a leader of an endgame shell and officer in another, and I've never heard of "NA" except to refer to North American players.

[AlexiaKidd]

Umm... I played FFXI for 6 years and was a leader of an endgame shell and officer in another, and I've never heard of "NA" except to refer to North American players.

Well if you played that much and still couldn't get a handle on how involved FFXI's battle system was even with auto attack that doesn't say alot.

At the end of the day there will always be boring fights where people will just mash 1 or just let the auto attack roll that is never going to change so what difference does it make really.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

I always stayed active in my ffxi fights. Unless the party wasn't that great. I played dnc and ya.... that was a job you couldn't just "watch" there was alot to do or can do in fights. sambas steps waltzes self skill chains I pickred the jobs that were melee/casters. Like rdm blu dnc ninja (i sucked at tanking i loved the back crit hitting ability though ^^) the more stuff I could do the happier I was. Oh and puppermaster you can't "just watch those either.
And to who said this " The bad AA implementation in FFXI encouraged bad gameplay by bad players."

AA didn't make ppl be bad players. It was all the PL, no one teaching ppl after a while, or ppl just not listening. PPl choose how involded to be in fights you have the option to sugeest them do more then just >.> (insert dirty joke) <.< or kick them for not being involed. I kicked a pld who watched tv instesd of focusing on the battle.

[Kaedan]

Well if you played that much and still couldn't get a handle on how involved FFXI's battle system was even with auto attack that doesn't say alot.

At the end of the day there will always be boring fights where people will just mash 1 or just let the auto attack roll that is never going to change so what difference does it make really.

Seriously Alexia, quit it with the insults, especially when they are unfounded. Address arguments, don't attack people. You're being extremely immature.

I fully understand how people should have played. The point was, the AA system was designed poorly, so it encouraged bad players to continue playing badly. And those bad players were allowed to essentially do the wait > ws BS.

And my exact point is that AA wasn't necessary as it is now. All it does is swap waiting a few seconds with pressing your attack key 3-4 times. There isn't a point.

However, if they redesign it well and AA ends up being useful, then great. However, I don't see that happening. AA isn't useful in Aion, WoW, or Rift, which is the direction it seems they are taking combat, so it stands to reason it won't be useful in this either.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Kaeden you know what your saying isn't true. I'm a long time ffxi player also. AA let me melee as a rdm while focusing on my casting. AA let me be a dncer while focusing on curing ppl or doing my other abilities.

The only thing that made players bad players, was the tolerance of it. PPl tolerated bad players for sake of getting levels. Or no one taught ppl. Or ppl told others off for doing their abilities. Cuz it "lowered down time" or "was pointless" I played all my jobs to the fullest no matter if what I did had a point to it. Due to my ADD i can't jusy sit and watch. heck even between pulls I ran around the party. HECK, FUNNEST THING HAPPEN During a leveling party in east ron [s] Dark Ixion showed up inches away from our party. I in a wicked ADD moment disenganged and ran after it as I never saw it in game befor. XD Lucky I knew the ppl who knew I had ADD :P

But ya...... You have options to deal with ppl who become lazy. 1 help them out. 2 kick them. 3 ask them to do more stuff.

[Keith_Dragoon]

I always stayed active in my ffxi fights. Unless the party wasn't that great. I played dnc and ya.... that was a job you couldn't just "watch" there was alot to do or can do in fights. sambas steps waltzes self skill chains I pickred the jobs that were melee/casters. Like rdm blu dnc ninja (i sucked at tanking i loved the back crit hitting ability though ^^) the more stuff I could do the happier I was. Oh and puppermaster you can't "just watch those either.
And to who said this " The bad AA implementation in FFXI encouraged bad gameplay by bad players."

AA didn't make ppl be bad players. It was all the PL, no one teaching ppl after a while, or ppl just not listening. PPl choose how involded to be in fights you have the option to sugeest them do more then just >.> (insert dirty joke) <.< or kick them for not being involed. I kicked a pld who watched tv instesd of focusing on the battle.

You just gave me something to do! off to level dancer!

[Chezen]

You just gave me something to do! off to level dancer!

O.O lol

Let's dancing!

(And high fives to anyone who gets that reference^^)

[AlexiaKidd]

Seriously Alexia, quit it with the insults, especially when they are unfounded. Address arguments, don't attack people. You're being extremely immature.

I fully understand how people should have played. The point was, the AA system was designed poorly, so it encouraged bad players to continue playing badly. And those bad players were allowed to essentially do the wait > ws BS.

And my exact point is that AA wasn't necessary as it is now. All it does is swap waiting a few seconds with pressing your attack key 3-4 times. There isn't a point.

However, if they redesign it well and AA ends up being useful, then great. However, I don't see that happening. AA isn't useful in Aion, WoW, or Rift, which is the direction it seems they are taking combat, so it stands to reason it won't be useful in this either.

Immature you were the one who came in here like a bull in a China shop labelling people who want AA as lazy and that it makes bad players and everyone who disagrees is wrong.

Fine but don't try and play the innocent party and make me out to be a bad person because I called you out on some ridiculous comments you were making and lets not forget you gave me the FU for my trouble which is far worse than anything I said.

[Kaedan]

Immature you were the one who came in here like a bull in a China shop labelling people who want AA as lazy and that it makes bad players and everyone who disagrees is wrong.

AAing is lazy. Prove me wrong. While you're AAing, you aren't doing anything else. Keep in mind, if you are doing other things, you aren't AAing.

Fine but don't try and play the innocent party and make me out to be a bad person because I called you out on some ridiculous comments you were making and lets not forget you gave me the FU for my trouble which is far worse than anything I said.

You made an unfounded personal attack at me. I was pointing out things I had personally witnessed in FFXI (people doing nothing but AAing and WSing), and you then made a ridiculous insult that because I noticed these things, I must do them myself and be a bad player. Sorry sister, that's called deflection by personal attack. You avoided the topic of discussion by personally attacking me and not addressing the topic at hand. A very telling and immature reaction.