Auto Attack wins!

[Kilta_Firelotus]

I always stayed active in my ffxi fights. Unless the party wasn't that great. I played dnc and ya.... that was a job you couldn't just "watch" there was alot to do or can do in fights. sambas steps waltzes self skill chains I pickred the jobs that were melee/casters. Like rdm blu dnc ninja (i sucked at tanking i loved the back crit hitting ability though ^^) the more stuff I could do the happier I was. Oh and puppermaster you can't "just watch those either.
And to who said this " The bad AA implementation in FFXI encouraged bad gameplay by bad players."

AA didn't make ppl be bad players. It was all the PL, no one teaching ppl after a while, or ppl just not listening. PPl choose how involded to be in fights you have the option to sugeest them do more then just >.> (insert dirty joke) <.< or kick them for not being involed. I kicked a pld who watched tv instesd of focusing on the battle.

[Keith_Dragoon]

I always stayed active in my ffxi fights. Unless the party wasn't that great. I played dnc and ya.... that was a job you couldn't just "watch" there was alot to do or can do in fights. sambas steps waltzes self skill chains I pickred the jobs that were melee/casters. Like rdm blu dnc ninja (i sucked at tanking i loved the back crit hitting ability though ^^) the more stuff I could do the happier I was. Oh and puppermaster you can't "just watch those either.
And to who said this " The bad AA implementation in FFXI encouraged bad gameplay by bad players."

AA didn't make ppl be bad players. It was all the PL, no one teaching ppl after a while, or ppl just not listening. PPl choose how involded to be in fights you have the option to sugeest them do more then just >.> (insert dirty joke) <.< or kick them for not being involed. I kicked a pld who watched tv instesd of focusing on the battle.

You just gave me something to do! off to level dancer!

[Chezen]

You just gave me something to do! off to level dancer!

O.O lol

Let's dancing!

(And high fives to anyone who gets that reference^^)

[Frebaut]

I always stayed active in my ffxi fights. Unless the party wasn't that great. I played dnc and ya.... that was a job you couldn't just "watch" there was alot to do or can do in fights. sambas steps waltzes self skill chains I pickred the jobs that were melee/casters. Like rdm blu dnc ninja (i sucked at tanking i loved the back crit hitting ability though ^^) the more stuff I could do the happier I was. Oh and puppermaster you can't "just watch those either.
And to who said this " The bad AA implementation in FFXI encouraged bad gameplay by bad players."

AA didn't make ppl be bad players. It was all the PL, no one teaching ppl after a while, or ppl just not listening. PPl choose how involded to be in fights you have the option to sugeest them do more then just >.> (insert dirty joke) <.< or kick them for not being involed. I kicked a pld who watched tv instesd of focusing on the battle.

I agree, i played DNC as my main job. Their was never a dull moment. I loved soloing darkness on DNC

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Kaeden you know what your saying isn't true. I'm a long time ffxi player also. AA let me melee as a rdm while focusing on my casting. AA let me be a dncer while focusing on curing ppl or doing my other abilities.

The only thing that made players bad players, was the tolerance of it. PPl tolerated bad players for sake of getting levels. Or no one taught ppl. Or ppl told others off for doing their abilities. Cuz it "lowered down time" or "was pointless" I played all my jobs to the fullest no matter if what I did had a point to it. Due to my ADD i can't jusy sit and watch. heck even between pulls I ran around the party. HECK, FUNNEST THING HAPPEN During a leveling party in east ron [s] Dark Ixion showed up inches away from our party. I in a wicked ADD moment disenganged and ran after it as I never saw it in game befor. XD Lucky I knew the ppl who knew I had ADD :P

But ya...... You have options to deal with ppl who become lazy. 1 help them out. 2 kick them. 3 ask them to do more stuff.

[Keith_Dragoon]

But ya...... You have options to deal with ppl who become lazy. 1 help them out. 2 kick them. 3 ask them to do more stuff.

QFT

Someone take a screenshot, Keith is agreeing with Kita lol.

See, this is the sort of thing that is good for discussion.

Personally, this is a moot point for me. I use Vent, so I can communicate even with the fast pace of combat. And SE could implement voice chat so that even people without Vent could communicate. Sure, there would be people without mics, but as long as they can listen it works.

Also keep in mind that there are parties that are more "business than pleasure" sort of parties. They would rather focus on putting out as much damage as possible and not waste time talking about things that aren't pertinent to the battle.

When Alexia said socialize I don't think they meant spouting orders, if a person without a mic is playing with a group of people with mics and SE did add a voice chat that person wouldn't be able to talk to you all without stopping to type.

As for the "business parties" these kinda parties are just not fun, we play a game for pleasure and fun not business and results. While results is nice to obtain I'd take a extremely fun party that got me 10k SP over a strict "less talk, more kirr" party that gets me 5 levels.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

QFT

Someone take a screenshot, Keith is agreeing with Kita lol.

I was a ruthless party leader My parties had no PL or you get kicked
if you was not doing your job you got kicked. if you was slowat your job you get kicked. I'm a nice person but very picky on ppl playing.
If you play game focus on the game not the hentei your watching as your poor preggers g/f you moved in with is doing everything.
:P

I also took time to try to help ppl. And to me a bad player was a lazy player. NOt a person who plays the game different.

[Keith_Dragoon]

I was a ruthless party leader My parties had no PL or you get kicked
if you was not doing your job you got kicked. if you was slowat your job you get kicked. I'm a nice person but very picky on ppl playing.
If you play game focus on the game not the hentei your watching as your poor preggers g/f you moved in with is doing everything.
:P

I also took time to try to help ppl. And to me a bad player was a lazy player. NOt a person who plays the game different.

Evil! I was too nice, if a person wanted a PL I told them to deal with not having one. if they weren't doing their job I'd ask them to step it up or give them a small helpful hint without shoving it down their throat. If they were slow at their job I gave them pointers and pointed them in the right direction. Finally if they were just horribly geared I'd even take them into town and buy them new gear and send them on their merry way.

I considered a bad player as those who fail at one or all of the above and refuses to listen to any helpful advice and claims they are the greatest.

Example: in DCUO I was running a hard alert I was healer he was controller, the ENTIRE run nobody had power except that guy. When asked if he could supply a little power he told me to stfu because he knows how to play his role. If you don't know what a controller is, its a role thats main focus is supplying power and limiting the mobs the group fights with debuffs and stuns.

[Vicious]

So much whining and tears, this is funny.

[AlexiaKidd]

I played DRK in FFXI and I was kept very busy with drain's, absorb's, ACC and Attack buffs, weapon skills and so on with auto attack. Really Kaedan it is just starting to sound like you were a bad player in FFXI if you just let auto attack do it's thing every battle.

That's what I said and you replied with "FU Alexia." I also only said that because of the previous comments you made to everyone else about how they were wrong about wanting AA. I think you need to go back to post 108 and re-read everything because you obviously have a very different perception of what was said.

AA is lazy..... really? Come on you say you played FFXI for 6 years even with such a horrible and un-involved battle system. I think you are taking a very extreme one sided stance on this. Sure people can be lazy with AA, but they can be just as lazy mashing 1 or maybe not even doing that and doing nothing at all. AA or no AA is not going to change bad players, if you come across a player like that you have 2 choices either try to teach them better ways of using the system or if you really can't put up with it kick them from the party.

I would like AA mainly to allow me to socialise with my party and not have my DPS drop to 0 while I reply to a message. That doesn't make me lazy, I can be in a grind party for hours in FFXIV and hardly a word is spoken because people are to busy pressing all the buttons to keep everything going. If you stop to type something then your DPS stops so nobody talks much until we take a break. FFXI had a great social scene and people were generally very chatty, well in my experience anyway and for me FFXIV is not like that and I believe one of the main reasons for that is because the battle system is too involved.