Auto Attack wins!

[solracht]

people gave ga,e bad reveievs, becouse they were too lazy to realy learn the mechanics and coupled with miriads of small but annoying problems, created common opinion.

indeed it have next to 0 impact on involvement. The game is too boring anyway <_< so simplifiedit makes you go and puke. Simplification and skillspam.

No offense, but at some point you can't help but think badly of someone who is basically saying "everyone but me is wrong and not getting it".

Game was bad, and the developers think so too, that's why you're not paying for the game. In the long run, it won't matter if those who liked the original systems aren't around when everything is said and done. That's why this approach is being taken.

Again, we (those playing right now) aren't the customers they're aiming for, because we're the minority.

[trinta]

For what it's worth, WoW has autoattack and it has next to zero impact on involvement. It represents roughly 5% of my damage output, and I activate an ability every 1-2 seconds on top of that. So it's not like adding auto attack to the game suddenly means you're just watching your character attack now.

I think what people are upset about is that's what it did mean to certain jobs in FFXI. I'm hopeful that SE will recognize that's the source of the anger and prevent it from recurring here.

I know that auto-attack isn't significant in either time or total damage in any other game I have played--yes, definitely including WoW, where anyone only doing "white damage" is laughed out of the raid and probably off of the server.

[Verecund]

For what it's worth, WoW has autoattack and it has next to zero impact on involvement. It represents roughly 5% of my damage output, and I activate an ability every 1-2 seconds on top of that. So it's not like adding auto attack to the game suddenly means you're just watching your character attack now.

Not sure if it's still like that in Cata, but I know that for classes like rogues and warriors in WoW, auto-attack is the biggest source of damage (for most of the game's existence up until now). BUT. This does, by no means whatsoever, mean you can AFK fights and win (to anyone thinking this is the case). Not only are fights not tuned that retardedly low, but abilities and class mechanics are built up so that everything feeds into each other.

Auto-attack shouldn't even remotely be an issue if the game is constantly being balanced, as it should be, being an ever-evolving MMO.

[Lamhirh]

only game that wil beat wow is mapple story <_<

[Kaedan]

only game that HAS beat wow is mapple story <_<

Fix'd ^_^

[Lamhirh]

yup, gues something keeps restoring it everytime. it works fine until i shut game down:/

[Warp]

For people saying that the vocal minority won this battle... go look at the results from the first player's poll.

[Lamhirh]

player pool wasnt mandatory, so only people who wanted to make noise did it <_<

[sharky]

Umm. I don't know? Dragon Age Origins had auto-attack and it was still challenging and pretty long too. Didn't FF11 have auto attack? DA2 on the other hand is getting a lot of flack for "NOT" having auto-attack, and needing to use spamming of the buttons for attacks. Hate spamming! >-(

[Lamhirh]

they might be only custommer they are getting for a long time. Becouse ( as i said earlier ) game habve bad public and horrible reputaion. So even if they make is wow clone it wont bring people from WoW.

Look at SOE. Star Wars Galaxies were a nice game with interesting mechanics, and sanbox classes. some manager decided that cutrrent player base wasnt their tatrget custopmers, and made game a wow clone ( a real die-hard wow clone). effect? they lost half of old player base, gained none, and now game is a ghost game, people play for star-wars feeling and excellent player housing ( hell i am resubing every few months to re-decorate my house ). Also what are you saying is insulting to people who play, and i guess to SE. Cos if SE decide to ingore the needs of minority, it will give them even worse reputation, and last thing XIV needs is comparison to NGE SWG.