Cartoony style graphics....

[Starlord]

Well, it looks like I been beaten *white flag* /waves ( I have glasses, so yes I don't have good eyesight)

but this thread was made before the New Adventures trailer. But the way things "Visually look" everyone will have a different opinion about them, weather your arguing technical terms or not. People will see things differently than you, on a visual level.

But I did say Lighting and shade does make the game look better as I said in one of my comments. However, how the game looks as a whole is opinionated. I'm sorry you want everyone to agree with your opinion(s), but we are human not extraterrestrials.

[Suirieko]

Well, it looks like I been beaten *white flag* /waves ( I have glasses, so yes I don't have good eyesight)

but this thread was made before the New Adventures trailer. But the way things "Visually look" everyone will have a different opinion about them, weather your arguing technical terms or not. People will see things differently than you, on a visual level.

But I did say Lighting and shade does make the game look better as I said in one of my comments. However, how the game looks as a whole is opinionated. I'm sorry you want everyone to agree with your opinion(s), but we are human not extraterrestrials.

If a majority of people feels that there's something is wrong, surely it's more than just an opinion, but something that need to be said, right, or is it still their opinion?

Besides, Renen had it right. Don't judge the game until it's fully released, and then judge all you want.

However, if you feel that there is something wrong with the game, then by all means, say something. That is what Alpha and Beta Testing is all about. Who the hell cares what's opinion or what's fact. Say it. This is what SE needs to hear.

[Starlord]

If a majority of people feels that there's something is wrong, surely it's more than just an opinion, but something that need to be said, right, or is it still their opinion?

Besides, Renen had it right. Don't judge the game until it's fully released, and then judge all you want.

However, if you feel that there is something wrong with the game, then by all means, say something. That is what Alpha and Beta Testing is all about. Who the hell cares what's opinion or what's fact. Say it. This is what SE needs to hear.

But the thing is majority don't think the game looks cartoony. There is a "Mixed" feeling between them though. It's 50/50 This Thread in general with see alot of jumping around saying Yes and No it doesn't look cartoony a lot. So to me they are all opinions.

I agree that weather it is fact or opinion, SE needs to know so they can optimize on the matter. Don't judge the game till its fully release~ I agree with that fully. If there is something wrong say it~ Agreed. If Majority feels something is wrong (or right even), Yes it can be considered a fact.

But the main reason this whole debacle even started was because of Rokien saying The game is Cartoony, which is fine people are entitled to their opinion. However, he's making it sound like what he says "is" facts, when this thread has been quite mixed.

I am sorry if I caused any pain or suffering.

[odintius]

I think the graphic now even though it alpha stage looks pretty dam good so once they polish it even more the better it be imo. I think to many are over analyzing this game its only in alpha stage its not like it the complete version or anything yet. People expectation's over an alpha release video of the game are way to high for a alpha phase and show lack of understanding of how a game process in the making actually works but that is an opinion of mine sorry if you don't agree with that my apologies if that offends anyone.

[Elexia]

I think the graphic now even though it alpha stage looks pretty dam good so once they polish it even more the better it be imo. I think to many are over analyzing this game its only in alpha stage its not like it the complete version or anything yet. People expectation's over an alpha release video of the game are way to high for a alpha phase and show lack of understanding of how a game process in the making actually works but that is an opinion of mine sorry if you don't agree with that my apologies if that offends anyone.

The real issue is this is a relaunch and expectations are really high because everyone figured it would take 1.0 and make it 100x better, however when we started to see even alpha footage, it looked like they took step backwards in the graphics ontop of them confirming the removal of animations is why people are "over analyzing", there's alot of concerns about certain things.

Gravity is a self-evident fact. An opinion could only be given about how it works exactly.

How a game looks to you is completely subjective, and your opinion.

However certain elements in a video game can't be achieved without the use of proper lighting and shaders, thus they are to video games as gravity is to us.

[odintius]

Don't think they took a step backward's to me looks more a step forward people expectation's are different. If you expect it to be 100x better base on whatever standard certain people perceive to be better isn't that just a tad bit of being overboard on there part?

[Elexia]

Don't think they took a step backward's to me looks more a step forward people expectation's are different. If you expect it to be 100x better base on whatever standard certain people perceive to be better isn't that just a tad bit of being overboard on there part?

Nope. They confirmed they removed certain animations, that in itself is a step backward rather than finding a way to fix issues without stripping things out.

Maybe to some people that isn't seen as a backward step, but to a lot of people taking something away is usually a negative rather than positive. For example if they strip out targeting modes but add in a better targeting system, that's definitely a step foward, but they took out an animation that didn't really need to be removed unless the base design was that badly done.

[Tonkra]

Nope. They confirmed they removed certain animations, that in itself is a step backward rather than finding a way to fix issues without stripping things out.

well and for me (as i posted before)

this











is a very big improvement to me if you ask me.. it wins much of ATMOSPHERE and charism...


and that silly "stopping" animation... you can just have it... if you hadnt told me i even havent recognized. it looks not more bad than any current MMO when it comes to amiation.

And its very unfinished.. as yoshida said.. it was forbidden for him to show the current water effects, because they work on it right now... like the tail of the miq'uote was bugged and was not visible.

[odintius]

I see you point and I can respect that and value your opinion if you can accept mine as well. For you yes taking away certain animations/stripping things out is an issue for you and for other's as well so I'll will respect that view. For other's though there perspective might be different from other's and see it as a way to improve something that might be flaw to the developers etc some don't see it as being negative more as a positive as you've stated. There will always be two sides to a coin when it come to matter's like this each have there value and need to find common ground on not just one sided.

[Starlord]

I see you point and I can respect that and value your opinion if you can accept mine as well.

Not many people seem to respect other people's opinion's on these forums. =( I miss Gath... at least he was a trying to make the forums lively with his comedian ways.. Now he's gone =(. R.I.P