No Arrows in ARR?!

[Shougun]

Speaking of fallacies -- You know, your statement will still be factual even when the arrow change-up has occurred. So I find it odd that you would use it to try and debase my argument.

I never said it had to be one way or another way. I just said you saying it cant be this way was a bad choice for a base of logic.

Specially since SE has said this is the way they prefer the class to be done, so your argument just got bitch slapped by SE lol.

I find the arguments on realism more reliable. Arrows are consumable, consume them.

However my personal opinion is that I'm glad they have removed the arrow upkeep - it is extremely obnoxious to see someones class become useless because they forgot to buy more arrows.

I'm sorry you can't cast anymore spells you forgot to buy crystal points at home - so, too bad the tank needed that cure 5 seconds ago.

[Hart]

I never said it had to be one way or another way. I just said you saying it cant be this way was a bad choice for a base of logic.

You're either talking in circles or putting words into my mouth. I never said it can't be anything. It's like you totally disregarded anything I actually said and decided to rebuke just on a whim.

The system was fine, you had no problems with archer using ammo until they planned on changing it and you decided to play devil's advocate.

As for running out of ammo... it sucks, we get that. No one does it on purpose, and everyone makes mistakes. With that said, as an archer, you know you have a limited amount of ammo and you know it is your primary attack. It is your responsibility to keep track of your own inventory. Everyone does this to some extent. Why now is this an issue?

If we really need to address conserving money I think SE should implement some sort of majicked lunchbox that will supply me with unlimited food dishes so I don't actually have to pay to feed myself.

[Deakka]

I don't know why people are complaining about arrow costs now. You knew before you went archer that you had to buy arrows. Infact, different choices in arrows added a level of customization not available in any other job, that alone makes it worth the price.

If you didn't want to buy arrows, maybe you should have leveled a different job? No, instead you whine until developers gut the system to accommodate your hobo lifestyle.

I'm sorry, but this is another "Illusion of choice" that a lot of MMO's fall victim to (former WoW, SWTOR etc). What possible benefit can a lv50 archer have by using mythril arrows opposed to cobalt? Weathered composed to bronze? If anything, it's just a tool designed to punish those who don't research out of game (in other words, busy work that pulls you away from actually doing content). If there were status and enfeebling arrows, it'd be a different story. But no, it's all flat damage +

There is no hobo mentality with this (other than some JP's using weathered arrows until cobalt). It's simply an artificial gate in a genre where those gates are seen as old and, quite frankly, pointless. Why not simply bake the arrow damage into normal bard/archer formulas? Since every level capped bard doing bleeding edge content will be bringing cobalt arrows anyway. There's no sense to it other than reducing player performance for those who don't do "busy work". It's not a skill check in the slightest.

[Nikita]

If you didn't want to buy arrows, maybe you should have leveled a different job? No, instead you whine until developers gut the system to accommodate your hobo lifestyle.

Lol ok I just had to comment on this one.

Looking at the archer/bard forum, I see one thread asking for arrow removal that is buried under a few pages, but that is about it. One thread, that is it. I can't comment on the other languages, however, I am pretty sure there was little demand for it...

With all of these changes we are getting, maybe they aren't doing them because people are whining, but rather because... *gasp* these changes make sense...

We are seeing many changes in 2.0 that are clearly being made to make the game more enjoyable to a larger audience. It is obvious these alterations are causing you some amount of mental distress, yet here you remain. Instead of griping about them catering to certain "lifestyles", maybe you should take a step back and realize that they have a clear vision for 2.0, and you were expecting them to cater it to your "lifestyle".

[Hart]

Lol ok I just had to comment on this one.

Looking at the archer/bard forum, I see one thread asking for arrow removal that is buried under a few pages, but that is about it. One thread, that is it. I can't comment on the other languages, however, I am pretty sure there was little demand for it...

With all of these changes we are getting, maybe they aren't doing them because people are whining, but rather because... *gasp* these changes make sense...

We are seeing many changes in 2.0 that are clearly being made to make the game more enjoyable to a larger audience. It is obvious these alterations are causing you some amount of mental distress, yet here you remain. Instead of griping about them catering to certain "lifestyles", maybe you should take a step back and realize that they have a clear vision for 2.0, and you were expecting them to cater it to your "lifestyle".

Well, considering they are changing the ammo system because more than a few people were using weathered arrows all the way to cobalt, I would say the bums won, dude. Oh, and about their clear vision for 2.0, what we say does have an impact on what happens. You would do well to remember that, instead of trying to justify every bad decision. I know they don't listen to every "griper", but on occasion they do tend to listen to player feedback. Don't be that guy, no one likes SE apologists.

I'm sure they had a clear vision for 1.0 as well, or at least that's what they told you and the stock holders.

I don't know how 2.0 will turn out, I can only voice my opinion and let the chips fall where they may.

[Deakka]

Well, considering they are changing the ammo system because more than a few people were using weathered arrows all the way to cobalt, I would say the bums won, dude.

They in no way stated that was the reason. You're literally pulling facts out of the air to support your position. Yoshi-P gave the dev team's reasoning in the translation. I suggest you reread for context and clarity

[-Eri-]

I for one... am a mainjob Bard so i spend like 2 stacks of Arrows on Event Days mabe a bit less. In order to compansate the prices for which i buy Arrows, i Lvled Carpenter to 50. Turned out to be a Profit.... now the loss of Arrows would almost hurt me.... then again there will be Furnishings..... so remains to be seen if its really bad. And on the upside I like to craft.

[Holy_Dragoon]

I really hope my CRP will have a new purpose in 2.0. One of the few crafts I actually liked.

[Shougun]

I really hope my CRP will have a new purpose in 2.0. One of the few crafts I actually liked.

Furniture and housing pieces. SE also talked about possibly needing a carpenter to install new roofing.


(Housing system is still very much so in development)

[Deakka]

Furniture and housing pieces. SE also talked about possibly needing a carpenter to install new roofing.


(Housing system is still very much so in development)

New crafting class: Contractor
Levels up by taking exams priced at 100k gil per level

Draws up blueprints. Blueprints can then be sold at a ridiculous profit. Is then hired out by players to actually do the work.Contractor can then swing by Gridania and sub hire non capped crafters for 5gil an hour to do the actual work.