Poll: Gear Tabs (Are you content with needing multiples of the same items?)

[Nero]

What's wrong with you? I didn't say non-official translation > official translation.

You do by saying that "outsider"-Translation is a fact.

The only "official" translation is of the questions and answers part of the video. They didn't translate the whole thing, and the part that I've referenced in this thread wasn't one of the Q&A. It was however clearly discussed for the world to see by Yoshida and Foxclon... Do you honestly believe an hour plus long interview can be condensed into a few paragraphs?

They translated the asked Question. They didnt translate it as a whole, but this will come within the next few days. Which will have the whole Session translated. Do you think the Dev's would leave out an important Part like that? And actually the Paragraph you are refering to is Question 23 and as you can see, it is totally different to your "Outsider"-Translation.

Can't you just bow out gracefully, and admit being wrong instead of taking my words out of context for the sake of argument?

Being wrong in what? Show me the official source of what you posted in your OP. If it will be the exact way in the translated Video, like you wrote it above then i would admit being wrong. But everything you do right now is wild speculation about a non-official translation.

[Jynx]

But everything you do right now is wild speculation about a non-official translation.

It's pretty rare the Rein ends up mis-translating something...just saying.

[Nero]

It's pretty rare the Rein ends up mis-translating something...just saying.

I like Rein's Translations and always check them out, but im not sticking by it until it is confirmed by an official Statement. Thats my point.

[Jynx]

I like Rein's Translations and always check them out, but im not sticking by it until it is confirmed by an official Statement. Thats my point.

Considering we don't even see all the news released from JP dev posts I don't see the issue in drawing conclusions (That can change obviously if proven incorrect by the dev team or community reps) from a fan-translation.

We shouldn't just sit idle and pretend that it didn't happen until the community reps say it. They have every opportunity to waltz in and say that it's wrong and here is the proper translation hell even the community reps have made Translation Fopas as often as Rein has.

Just because a community rep said it doesn't mean it's a proper translation all the time either.

[Felis]

It's pretty rare the Rein ends up mis-translating something...just saying.

But it happens

I know that Reinheart does the English FFXIV community a great service by translating a lot of what happens on the Japanese side.

But I believe he was translating and adding to the document in real time, and believe me, that is an immensely difficult thing to do while capturing every bit of information and nuance.

Whereas I was simply watching the video and have related what I took away from it after having the luxury of time to respond.

What I wrote above is how I understand what Yoshi P said in the video, and is not based on anyone's translation... again, I do speak Japanese as well.

I believe things are still subject to change so I wouldn't even take Yoshi P's words as set in stone... but that is what he said last night.

Mikita's right I watched the vid again and does say about land size and larger one costing a lot.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post828067

[Mijin]

You do by saying that "outsider"-Translation is a fact.

No, I said the Q&A translations posted don't cover this part. But it is true that the translation done is accurate, like I said I watched the live feed myself.

They translated the asked Question. They didnt translate it as a whole, but this will come within the next few days. Which will have the whole Session translated. Do you think the Dev's would leave out an important Part like that? And actually the Paragraph you are refering to is Question 23 and as you can see, it is totally different to your "Outsider"-Translation.

Actually the part I'm referring to is only partially in question 23, they went on to discuss the rest after. And since the first part matches up, that kind of throws your argument out the window. Furthermore yes I do think the community reps would leave that part out for the time being because it doesn't directly relate to the answer of the question asked. They plan of doing a full translation later, they left out a lot of the details in the Q&A for the time being.

Being wrong in what? Show me the official source of what you posted in your OP. If it will be the exact way in the translated Video, like you wrote it above then i would admit being wrong. But everything you do right now is wild speculation about a non-official translation.

Wild speculation? That's interesting... Imagine if every time there was a world conflict they could just blame it on the translators lol. You're the only one creating wild speculation that somehow the translation is totally wrong and words were added that weren't even said... The fact that you didn't watch the live feed, and don't speak Japanese doesn't give you the right to accuse people of being wrong, or lying when you have no evidence to back it up. It's pretty offensive.

You keep throwing around the word "official" these words came strait from Yosida's mouth himself. I don't know how much more official you can get.

[Nero]

You keep throwing around the word "official" these words came strait from Yosida's mouth himself. I don't know how much more official you can get.

So he officially translated rein's translation? do you understand japanese that much that you can say SE left out parts in the Q&A?

All i said: there is may a misstranslation, since it is not possible due rare/ex items.

was my pretty first post. And that i would wait until the vid is translated.

[Mijin]

So he officially translated rein's translation? do you understand japanese that much that you can say SE left out parts in the Q&A?

Look, let's just agree to disagree and stop flooding the thread with our argument. I'll be happy if your right, but yes I do understand Japanese enough to understand what was said in the video. In addition to that with that with reins translation this is what we have to go on. The subtitled video will be posted in a few days, and if somehow it turns out that Yoshida was completely misunderstood, and this wasn't what he meant then this thread will die out. But due to players strong opposition to this, and his request for feedback this thread may serve a purpose. If I'm wrong it wont be the first time but I can tell you with every bit of confidence that I don't think that's the case. If you would rather wait until the subtitled video comes out to post your opinion that's fine, but there is no sense in arguing over this.