[dev1008] About Jumping

[Xbob42]

A button jump is not needed. A ledge jump (such as what is found in 13 and LoZ) would be more acceptable for numerous reasons. 1) It couldn't be spammed. 2) It could only be used where needed. 3) It would have no effect on battle at all. 4) It wouldn't lag the entire game because there wouldn't be a whole team of people jumping around for no reason.

1) Who cares if it could be spammed? Besides really, really anal weirdos on this forum and this forum alone and NO WHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD? 2) Yay! Limit us! 3) Jumping almost never has any affect on battle in MMOs. 4) Jumping doesn't lag any game, and if it does you've done a horrible, horrible job making a game.

[Malakhim]

3) 4) Jumping doesn't lag any game...

It would probably lag FFXIV... >.>

That's not a stab at you or jumping as much as it's my own passive-aggressive attitude towards SE handling everything server side...

[Jennestia]

It would probably lag FFXIV... >.>

That's not a stab at you or jumping as much as it's my own passive-aggressive attitude towards SE handling everything server side...

Yep -- more than lag it would likely just be delayed.

[Dubont]

1) Who cares if it could be spammed? Besides really, really anal weirdos on this forum and this forum alone and NO WHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD? 2) Yay! Limit us! 3) Jumping almost never has any affect on battle in MMOs. 4) Jumping doesn't lag any game, and if it does you've done a horrible, horrible job making a game.

1) It isn't just this forum. 2) Yes, limit us because it shouldn't be here in the first place. 3) Ever played WoW or PWI? What about RoM and Alloids? 4) Ever played a guild match in any PvP heavy game that has jump? During battle with 30+ characters on a screen, jumping will lag your game 90% of the time.

[Xbob42]

1) It isn't just this forum. 2) Yes, limit us because it shouldn't be here in the first place. 3) Ever played WoW or PWI? What about RoM and Alloids? 4) Ever played a guild match in any PvP heavy game that has jump? During battle with 30+ characters on a screen, jumping will lag your game 90% of the time.

1) Yes it is, or some other FFXIV-dedicated forum full of nutcases. Take this stupid ass argument to any general MMO forum and be laughed off as an imbecile. Honestly.

2) Yes. Mighty heroes should never jump. I mean, it'd ruin the immersion! I can't even jump in real life!

3) Yes. I have. Let's take WoW for example... Jumping has no effect on combat, except breaking your spellcast, same as if you moved. It has no other battle potential. There are ABILITIES that can help, such as disengage, but they're not normal jumps. Just because people are jumping doesn't mean it DOES anything, in fact, it lessens the control you exert over your character because you're moving in a straight line with no Y or X-axis control for a second or so, with no increased speed.

4) Jumping doesn't lag the game in that case or in any other. My god man, what the hell are you on about? I'd think it's the battle with 30+ players and spell effects AND NOT THE JUMP.

Holy damn, the ineptitude of these arguments is pitiful.

[Jennestia]

4) Jumping doesn't lag the game in that case or in any other. My god man, what the hell are you on about? I'd think it's the battle with 30+ players and spell effects AND NOT THE JUMP.

Holy damn, the ineptitude of these arguments is pitiful.

S/he is referring to the fact the game's interface is all serverside (Malakhim mentioned, which SE confirmed even though it was already obvious xD) -- whereas most other MMOs are client side; So it would be a latency problem rather than lagging in certain instances -- e.g failure to execute or very slow execution which already happens in battles at times.

[Dubont]

No...I know what I'm talking about. PWI (during PvP) players will spam a jump to not only avoid being hit but also to avoid being targeted in general. In WoW, large groups of jumping idiots will lag the game in terms of FPS, especially during combat. Same goes for RoM (which I still play).

As far as the FFXIV community being more mature, I doubt it. Been to FFXIVPRO lately? There is so much crying over x player getting x rank faster than y player on z job. This crying is then followed by y player's friends spamming bot and hack reports to GMs then spewing their jealously all over the forums of FFXIVPRO. Mature? I don't think so.

If they want jumping, don't put any type of PvP into the game. If they want PvP, don't put any form of free jump into the game.

[Nikita]

As far as the overall community goes, I really do think the Final Fantasy community is the one I prefer. You can pick out obnoxious forums/people for any game, just like you can pick out a very mature community. Everyone thinks the WoW community is horrible, have you ever been to ElitistJerks? They are more mature there than on most forums, they ban you on the spot for making stupid comments or speculations of any sort.

Having played WoW in large PvP environments like raids on faction capitals and 40 vs 40 battlegrounds like Alterac Valley, even 5v5 arena or something like Warsong Gulch, I have never seen, even in a video, jumping causing FPS issues. If you are personally experiencing an FPS drop when people jump in an MMO like WoW, I am amazed that your computer can run FFXIV. If you can find a video that shows someone's FPS meter drop when people start to jump, you are more than welcome to share it with us. As far as using the jump mechanic to exploit targeting in something like PvP, if they do add jump, as long as they implement it correctly that will not even be an issue.

[Nephera]

If they want jumping, don't put any type of PvP into the game. If they want PvP, don't put any form of free jump into the game.

"You are in combat, you cannot jump."

Problem solved.

[Kimahri]

If you are in combat, you cannot jump.

Problem solved.

Seriously this thread needs to end. Yoshi-P needs to come in here and settle it. 20,000 views with almost 850 posts? Mostly all of which nobody cares what the other thinks and just states their beliefs again. Just implement this stupid thing. Do what Nephera says and take away jump if you engage in combat. I don't see how this thread is just as important as other key points in this game where people are not satisfied....Are you really going to base your decision on either staying or leaving the game based on something as stupid as this? Grow the hell up.