[dev1008] About Jumping

[Spellstar]

You know, I can actually understand the frustration in this post, because I'm feeling it, too. FFXI, for better or worse, was released almost a decade ago in a market with few choices or other standards to compare itself to. And I'm tired of the argument that we don't need things in FFXIV just because FFXI didn't have it.

It may seem like a small thing, but many of the bad reviews and feelings of an outdated clunky game didn't just cite the UI or the combat system. How was it you had this beautiful character with such amazing facial expressions and emotions, and even the way you run and shift your weight when you come to a stop is SO lifelike... but you can't even jump?

I'm loathe to use the term fanboys, but the FF traditionalists who are claiming that new features will only somehow destroy the integrity of this game are only serving to hold back progress and keep FFXIV from being taken seriously by the gaming community.

This game will surely wither away if it doesn't move into the current MMO generation, and that generation expects a full array of controls, including the ability to jump. Evolve or die.

Here Here. They spent all this money on Motion Capture animations for our characters, individual run styles and lots of emotes. I think Jumping is a simple natural extension of that.

I mean come on, Its not like we're asking for Lalafell's to be equipped with AK47 machine gun animations - its just jumping ! Its not going to ruin immersion that much and for a lot it will increase immersion.

[Miliant]

I am in favor jumping, in any way the dev team sees fit to include it. It's a step forward.

Furthermore, I personally believe that arguing against jump on the basis that it's not FF-esque is out of the question. Just take a look at the game now, pretty much nothing about it screams FF. Being worried about something that may or may not degrade the FF atmosphere when there pretty much isn't one to begin with seems pointless.

[Laughlyn]

Laughlyn - i disagree with all your points, because it seems unnatural for our characters to NOT be able to jump a little.

And why so defensive? You say jump will just make people annoy you - but not all people are bad - and if they wanted to annoy you they don't need jump lots of annoying things characters can do.

The truth is in 21st century Final Fantasy, a character should be able to jump, it seems to RUIN immersion for me that he cant jump. My character feels like a puppet welded to rails on the floor at the moment I need freedom to move (I promise i wont jump on the guildleve counter to annoy you !)

Could easily ask you the same thing about why so offensive about jump?
You know what...lol you should have jump, cuz i would stand there watch you (happily) jump of a cliff...
lol jump...gtfo

[Zkieve]

This is stupidity in its greatest form.
Im sorry but knowing dev team have their focus right now into jump or not to jump makes me want to rage literally.
So this is what listening to your player base does for a game.
Im going to watch tv , this is extremely depressing.
jump or no jump who the hell cares,
THIS WONT FIX OR BREAK THE GAME ,is not the time for this dead horse.
i bet next is Pvp or not pvp, like in every single mmo forum out there, and thats what they will work on next.

I can't believe THIS is our most replied thread.


Out of everything we have to discuss, the addition or not of jumping is one of the least important >_>

[gifthorse]

I am in favor jumping, in any way the dev team sees fit to include it. It's a step forward.

Furthermore, I personally believe that arguing against jump on the basis that it's not FF-esque is out of the question. Just take a look at the game now, pretty much nothing about it screams FF. Being worried about something that may or may not degrade the FF atmosphere when there pretty much isn't one to begin with seems pointless.

Also the fact that characters in FF jump all the time in cutscenes anyway.

[gifthorse]

This is stupidity in its greatest form.
Im sorry but knowing dev team have their focus right now into jump or not to jump makes me want to rage literally.
So this is what listening to your player base does for a game.
Im going to watch tv , this is extremely depressing.
jump or no jump who the hell cares,
THIS WONT FIX OR BREAK THE GAME ,is not the time for this dead horse.
i bet next is Pvp or not pvp, like in every single mmo forum out there, and thats what they will work on next.

I can see the SE development studios now.

"Hey guys, stop the press, they're talking about jump on the english lodestone forums! "

[Vitto]

I would love to be able to jump in this game. The environment has so many hills and ledges that it can really get in the way of movement. Don't necessarily need a jump function like that of WoW, but something similar to FF13 wouldn't be too bad.

[Rowyne]

Greetings everyone! FFXIV Producer/Director Yoshida has made some comments about "jumping" that we wanted to make sure you saw!

Thanks for relaying this response, Bayohne!

[HayaHime]

I didn't need (Jump) in FFXI and I don't need it in FFXIV too!!

[Lusavari]

Actually, they're talking about the same thing on the Japanese forums too.

Let's think about this people. Most of us on Poll #1 said We'd be fine with major fixes right? Well, there's already talk of redesigning Gridania right? And if jumping is added in one form or another, it will change some aspect of the game. Just because it's not on your priority list doesn't mean you should get pissy. Some people want swimming. Personally, I think that's the most god awful thing that could possibly be added to the game. But at the end of the day, we all have to keep in mind, for SOMEONE, it's important. And that's the point of the forum here. At least now people know they're being heard. And another thing... Let's not forget, the Dev Team can do more than one task at a time. All it does it change their priorities AFTER battle is fixed. Jump could effect battle though, so it is something that needs to thought about now while it's possible. But raging because your point of concern isn't at the forefront of everything is silly. Just calm down, because they'll get to everything at some point. But right now, jumping is a relevant issue.

Jumping could impact battle, future exploration, or nothing at all. If it's an emote, then it's done. But if it does effect battle (which I hope it doesn't, and due to the fact they've got the aesthetics in mind. i doubt it will) or exploration (more likely, though with talk of the changes in collision detection, it probably won't) it needs to be talked about. If people want to jump just to jump, it has no place in the game, as it's a rather stupid idea. But if they want jump in battle, sorry, but they'll have to wait for Dragoon or Lancer to get it. And if they want it for exploration, OK, fine, it might just happen.

But we have to keep in mind, this is a community game, built by players, and if something is important to even one person, it deserves a look, even if it seems utterly ridiculous to the rest of us. Even if I thrash someone's idea when they post it, I still feel they had a right to speak up. And I had a right to criticize their idea to make them or someone else to improve on it to make a better idea. But getting emo over it all? That's pretty silly.