[dev1008] About Jumping

[Aldwin]

Oh btw... third time you have ignored my question and request.

I've already answered your question, it just wasn't what you wanted to hear. Limits. I don't want to run up to a ledge only wondering "hm, i wonder if the game will decide to let me jump off this one", or "I wonder if the game will decide to let me jump over this rock."

Maybe that's not a good enough answer for you.

[trinta]

I've already answered your question, it just wasn't what you wanted to hear. Limits. I don't want to run up to a ledge only wondering "hm, i wonder if the game will decide to let me jump off this one", or "I wonder if the game will decide to let me jump over this rock."

Maybe that's not a good enough answer for you.

I recognize that "I don't want it because people jump constantly and it looks bad" is an inane argument. HOWEVER, given the number of people who hold that view, and the number of people who hold the view that remaining true to FF history precludes jumping, I can't justify insisting on more than I need to not inhibit my gameplay. The only time I can say I need to jump is when I get stuck on some invisible little pebble on the road and just need a little bit of a hop.

Would I prefer a free jump? Sure. Am I going to insist on it just to insist on it, because the game is all about me and me alone? Not so much. For me, if it isn't a game-breaker, it isn't a deal-breaker, and the limited manual jump should meet everyone's needs while not overtly offending the anti-jumpers.

[Aldwin]

I recognize that "I don't want it because people jump constantly and it looks bad" is an inane argument. HOWEVER, given the number of people who hold that view, and the number of people who hold the view that remaining true to FF history precludes jumping, I can't justify insisting on more than I need to not inhibit my gameplay. The only time I can say I need to jump is when I get stuck on some invisible little pebble on the road and just need a little bit of a hop.

Would I prefer a free jump? Sure. Am I going to insist on it just to insist on it, because the game is all about me and me alone? Not so much. For me, if it isn't a game-breaker, it isn't a deal-breaker, and the limited manual jump should meet everyone's needs while not overtly offending the anti-jumpers.

The same as me, you didn't list any facts in your argument. Not having a jump isn't a game breaker for you, great. It is for me. That tiny pebble in my way is but 1 of many things in my way that is immersion breaking to me. It's not for you.

Although this argument doesn't get either of us anywhere, it's admittedly more interesting than the current state of xiv to me.

[Aldwin]

One thing I don't understand. Why are so many people against a free jump? You don't have to use it. If you don't want to jump unless you come to that one spot where you think a manual jump would help, then don't.

Use it when and where you want to. What exactly is so wrong with that?

[Kaedan]

I've already answered your question, it just wasn't what you wanted to hear. Limits. I don't want to run up to a ledge only wondering "hm, i wonder if the game will decide to let me jump off this one", or "I wonder if the game will decide to let me jump over this rock."

Maybe that's not a good enough answer for you.

No actually, you didn't. You're still dodging it because you can't think of a logical reason against them.

I asked you to specifically tell me why you would disagree with the specific three limitations I suggested. You have failed to do so.

[Aldwin]

No actually, you didn't. You're still dodging it because you can't think of a logical reason against them.

I asked you to specifically tell me why you would disagree with the specific three limitations I suggested. You have failed to do so.

I going to troll this quickly because obviously your out to prove your point against anyone else's opinion.

You haven't answered any of the questions I didn't ask because obviously you have no answer for them. Dodge my questions some more.

[Kaedan]

I going to troll this quickly because obviously your out to prove your point against anyone else's opinion.

You haven't answered any of the questions I didn't ask because obviously you have no answer for them. Dodge my questions some more.

You should probably read the thread before acting like an idiot.

You said you would ONLY accept a free jump, nothing else. I stated an alternative that makes everyone happy and asked you why it wouldn't work. I gave 3 limitations and asked you if you had a problem with them and what that problem was. You've been dodging ever since.

Go troll somewhere else.

[Aldwin]

You should probably read the thread before acting like an idiot.

You said you would ONLY accept a free jump, nothing else. I stated an alternative that makes everyone happy and asked you why it wouldn't work. I gave 3 limitations and asked you if you had a problem with them and what that problem was. You've been dodging ever since.

Go troll somewhere else.

I never said your idea wouldn't work. I said, using the word my opinion, I wouldn't like it. You asked in a lot of words, why. I said to me its immersion breaking, again my opinion.

Obviously, you don't like it.

[Kaedan]

I never said your idea wouldn't work. I said, using the word my opinion, I wouldn't like it. You asked in a lot of words, why. I said to me its immersion breaking, again my opinion.

Obviously, you don't like it.

Then please tell me why? Why wouldn't you like it with those 3 limitations? I am curious how it is immersion-breaking to you. What about those 3 limitations is bad, in your opinion?

For those joining us late, this is the proposal in question:

Manual jump with the following restrictions:
-No Jumping off places that are "too high" (this avoids having to add falling damage).
-Limiting height of jump, just enough to get you up a small hill or something. (this avoids having to redesign entire areas)
-Keeping invisible walls in certain areas (this avoids people getting into places they aren't supposed to and having to redesign said areas).

[Aldwin]

Then please tell me why? Why wouldn't you like it with those 3 limitations? I am curious how it is immersion-breaking to you. What about those 3 limitations is bad, in your opinion?

Thank you for at least being somewhat polite. This is my opinion. But I might want to walk up to a ledge, and not jump. I want to have the choice myself. Taking the idea a few steps further to show you my perspective. What if you could only walk down a very narrow path (black shroud?). While that is deffinately a larger scale, to me it would be the same feeling. I want to freely roam without wondering which ledge, corner or hill the game will decide to let me jump or climb over.

What to you, is so bad about a free jump? You could do everything you mentioned with your restrictions. You wouldn't have to use it if you didn't want to.