[dev1008] About Jumping

[Dromox]

It's not contradictory -- you're just reading far too much into it because there's nothing contradictory about saying your character is smart enough to get around obstacles automatically because the player isn't telling the character to, the A.I programming is telling it to which is what automation means.

I realize not everyone speaks English as their first language so I am going to have to ask you what exactly you mean. To me, it seems like you are saying that my character is smart(or isn't, not sure) enough to get around obstacles because the game tells it to, automatically, without the need of player input. I for one, like to be interactive with my game worlds not a spectator.

[Alexzander]

well im sure the devs might be thinking the same about you and for me issachar talked about a good reasoning behind this as well but i dont agree with him that it shouldn't be put in and if im wrong in what you said issachar then tell me please. i also want to be able to climb over or jump over a hill so that i dont have to walk over it but i dont want people to be able to use jump for anything but climbing over walls and thats where i agree with issachar over people maybe spam the jump. i see it with emote and this maybe same thing. people talk about doing it like zelda or ff tactics and i say yes to that. and i have been reading more threads into things that maybe are a cure for your feeling of restriction. they are talking about swimming and flying and stuff. think i would like swimming so gonna go post it now.

[Rawry]

well im sure the devs might be thinking the same about you and for me issachar talked about a good reasoning behind this as well but i dont agree with him that it shouldn't be put in and if im wrong in what you said issachar then tell me please. i also want to be able to climb over or jump over a hill so that i dont have to walk over it but i dont want people to be able to use jump for anything but climbing over walls and thats where i agree with issachar over people maybe spam the jump. i see it with emote and this maybe same thing. people talk about doing it like zelda or ff tactics and i say yes to that. and i have been reading more threads into things that maybe are a cure for your feeling of restriction. they are talking about swimming and flying and stuff. think i would like swimming so gonna go post it now.

If the devs feel the same way.. that's cool. But some how I don't think that's the case as one of they main reasons they got the forums going was to get our opinions.

I disagree with Iss's reasoning as I've never seen it happen in any of the mmos I've played. did I ever say his opinion was irrelevant or that he didn't have the right to have one? Noooooope!

[Issachar]

well im sure the devs might be thinking the same about you and for me issachar talked about a good reasoning behind this as well but i dont agree with him that it shouldn't be put in and if im wrong in what you said issachar then tell me please. i also want to be able to climb over or jump over a hill so that i dont have to walk over it but i dont want people to be able to use jump for anything but climbing over walls and thats where i agree with issachar over people maybe spam the jump. i see it with emote and this maybe same thing. people talk about doing it like zelda or ff tactics and i say yes to that. and i have been reading more threads into things that maybe are a cure for your feeling of restriction. they are talking about swimming and flying and stuff. think i would like swimming so gonna go post it now.

I'm in favor of jump, but not the kind that you can use anywhere at anytime. Just one to get over obstancles and such in the game :P

[Kimahri]

Let me try and help clear this up. I think what Alexzander and Jennestia (Hey! I think I got a fan group now! lol) are basically saying that jump should be used as a simple automatic funtion when the need arises to jump. It's basically like the Auto-Attack from XI when Jennestia is talking about the A.I. By this I mean that even though your character is attacking, you're not giving direct commands other than to attack and/or disengage.

Now to just go a little more into her post and using that example I just said, what she means is that the A.I. will automatically jump when the need arises to jump. Hope this clears it up for you.

[Dromox]

Let me try and help clear this up. I think what Alexzander and Jennestia (Hey! I think I got a fan group now! lol) are basically saying that jump should be used as a simple automatic funtion when the need arises to jump. It's basically like the Auto-Attack from XI when Jennestia is talking about the A.I. By this I mean that even though your character is attacking, you're not giving direct commands other than to attack and/or disengage.

Now to just go a little more into her post and using that example I just said, what she means is that the A.I. will automatically jump when the need arises to jump. Hope this clears it up for you.

I guess her post does make more sense when explained like that. However, I would still like to control my own character, I don't really see why that's a bad thing. I would rather not have my character automatically jump up/down a cliff simply because I walked to closely to it and triggered that response in the game. Freedom!!

[Kimahri]

I guess her post does make more sense when explained like that. However, I would still like to control my own character, I don't really see why that's a bad thing. I would rather not have my character automatically jump up/down a cliff simply because I walked to closely to it and triggered that response in the game. Freedom!!

Haha! Well whoever posted earlier that you can excercise that jump action by hitting the menu button and clicking on the jump button. You know where you can click Aetheryte, Check, Invite, etc. How would that work out for you? That way it's still in there, you're able to do it manually in a sense, and it doesn't get in the way of others who don't want it implemented simply because it might be a minor annoyance?

[Dromox]

Haha! Well whoever posted earlier that you can excercise that jump action by hitting the menu button and clicking on the jump button. You know where you can click Aetheryte, Check, Invite, etc. How would that work out for you? That way it's still in there, you're able to do it manually in a sense, and it doesn't get in the way of others who don't want it implemented simply because it might be a minor annoyance?

Aetheryte, Check, Invite are completely different then jumping, swimming, flying etc. Walking up and putting out your hand and "touching" and Aetheryte seems to serve only an aesthetic function at best, check and invite and something you don't interact at all doing. However, being able to simply jump grands me access to having the OPTION, to over come this incline, to descend this cliff and doing all that on MY terms is infinitely better then being regulated by certain "checkpoints" for that action.

Explain to me how that would be a minor annoyance? Just because WoW has the same feature doesn't mean the game is going to descend to the same childish mindset, here I thought the FF players were a much more mature, refined MMO community and could handle something as simple as being able to untethered jumping. my mistake! Keep your feet on the ground friend, don't want to upset the people RP'ing in say with my jumping. :P

[Kimahri]

Aetheryte, Check, Invite are completely different then jumping, swimming, flying etc. Walking up and putting out your hand and "touching" and Aetheryte seems to serve only an aesthetic function at best, check and invite and something you don't interact at all doing. However, being able to simply jump grands me access to having the OPTION, to over come this incline, to descend this cliff and doing all that on MY terms is infinitely better then being regulated by certain "checkpoints" for that action.

Explain to me how that would be a minor annoyance? Just because WoW has the same feature doesn't mean the game is going to descend to the same childish mindset, here I thought the FF players were a much more mature, refined MMO community and could handle something as simple as being able to untethered jumping. my mistake! Keep your feet on the ground friend, don't want to upset the people RP'ing in say with my jumping. :P

Hahaha! Well here's what I would mean as far as examples I could list.

As you know there are filters for letting me filter out all the junk I don't want to see in my chat board. Such as /emote. There will be no filter for when I see a guy/girl just jumping for no reason while waiting for Behest, Mission, Quest, Linkshell event, etc.

Secondly what I think would be a reason is that the Development Team has come around saying that they would later on down the road implement back into FFXIV PvP....Now if you've played Halo........You know for darn sure they're going to be hopping around like jack rabbits just to piss you off.

Mostly all in all I wouldn't have a problem with this being an annoyance, except for that PvP example. However I can see others having a problem with this as I tend to see a lot of people with impatience as they play this game. For example I was playing Behest and people wouldn't stop fighting so we could invite the last guy, so he got pissed and slapped on his 50 THM and decimated the rest of the Behest mobs....Then they were annoyed over him because they couldn't wait 3 seconds to invite him in the first place!.........

See what I mean? lol This list I'm sure could add a couple more reasons to why people wouldn't want it. I'm just listing those I know. Wouldn't you agree that it's slightly annoying?

[Jennestia]

Let me try and help clear this up. I think what Alexzander and Jennestia (Hey! I think I got a fan group now! lol) are basically saying that jump should be used as a simple automatic funtion when the need arises to jump. It's basically like the Auto-Attack from XI when Jennestia is talking about the A.I. By this I mean that even though your character is attacking, you're not giving direct commands other than to attack and/or disengage.

Now to just go a little more into her post and using that example I just said, what she means is that the A.I. will automatically jump when the need arises to jump. Hope this clears it up for you.

Yep pretty much this. My first language is Japanese, so I'm doing my best to explain in English.