[dev1008] About Jumping

[Lusavari]

I highly doubt the process would be to slow. That's assuming it's not instant, where they automatically walk to a predetermined spot, then get ready, squat, do a test jump, squat again, and go for real. I figure it'd really be an instantaneous transition exactly as it was in XIII. No selecting off the menu. It just happens as a normal part of the walking animation.

[Arkhan]

Jumping is no good.

It would be unrealistic/unfair.

Lalafell will be jumping 2-3x their own height if the jumping is to be fairly scaled so everyone has the same jumping abilities.

So, a "little" hill to a Roe, is like an impassable wall to a Lalafell...

No jump.

FF11 didn't need it, and Neither does FF14

[gifthorse]

Jumping is no good.

It would be unrealistic/unfair.

Lalafell will be jumping 2-3x their own height if the jumping is to be fairly scaled so everyone has the same jumping abilities.

So, a "little" hill to a Roe, is like an impassable wall to a Lalafell...

No jump.

FF11 didn't need it, and Neither does FF14

Okay, how about jumping is used to jump lengths, not heights, and climbing is used to scale small cliffs? Is that realistic enough now?

Seriously, make a constructive comments once in a while, please.

[Nephera]

Jumping is no good.

It would be unrealistic/unfair.

Lalafell will be jumping 2-3x their own height if the jumping is to be fairly scaled so everyone has the same jumping abilities.

So, a "little" hill to a Roe, is like an impassable wall to a Lalafell...

No jump.

FF11 didn't need it, and Neither does FF14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xkePDePah8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz9MzKssF8s >implying everyone cant already jump insanely high

[Lusavari]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xkePDePah8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz9MzKssF8s >implying everyone cant already jump insanely high

Thanks for that. That points out Lalafell can already jump 2 meters. As for autojump, as I've stated, it's not something that you should have to look for an auto-jump point. If a gap or cliff falls in the 2 meter range, when you come up to it, and press forward, you automatically leap. Just part of the movement mechanic.

[Lusavari]

XI also didn't have the invisible walls issue that XIV has though. Look, Lalafel are described as having strong legs, just like Tarutaru. Despite their size, they can run as fast as everyone else. I think it's ok if they jump as high too.

[Overkill9000]

a grasshopper jumps much farther than i do

[Defmetal]

Why do you all assume that just because people looked like idiots in wow that it will be bad?
Nobody complains about jumping in EQ2 or EQ1 or LOTRO or DDO because they don't make it "cool" to jump.

In WoW everyone jumps and dances everywhere because they stylized it. Nobody spammed it in EQ2 because the animations looked stupid, but it was still very useful, Especially in boss encounters where they had floating platforms and random teleports.

Think about the potential jump could have in bad-assery.
Earth-based mob uses Quake, players Jump.
Deadly encounter with a 2-inch hill that makes you run around halfway around the map, players jump.

Adding a system for jumping could add them to allow a lot more features in the future, such as swimming. This is an MMO, a beautiful MMO with lots of room for social interactions and roleplaying and just chilling out. It's a video game.... and maybe you just want to jump in the lake with your friends who don't live in the same city as you and just BS with each other.

Jumping isn't evil, WoW making it cooler to jump around town than actually play the game is.

[Lusavari]

First, being able to avoid earth based attacks by way of jumps would be broken. Especially since you get the warning, it wouldn't be hard to time, which stops anyone from ever going an earth route, especially in PvP, but also, the earth attacks rise a bit from the ground, so even then, I doubt jumping is gonna stop them unless you're using a Dragoon Jump.

Also, you could still do stuff like the floating platforms, even in an automatic setting. The problem is though, to avoid terrain abuse, the ability to target to many levels above or below you is off, and even if you do, monsters can move up most any terrain. Same deal with swimming. There's gonna be a lot involved with going in the water. Now, I think an underwater temple is cool as hell, and I'm just as for it as the next person, but I just do not wanna deal with under water fighting. Of course, then again, I think they have something planned with airship battles, so trying to rule out to much is silly too, but if that stuff is gonna show up, it's better off in the form of some addition to the regular movement mechanic. In other words, no up and down movements. Set paths, even under water. What's more, a lot of the water in the game isn't even set for something like swimming. The Ocean in Limsa is a solid object. It's basically a specially textured ground. Since they're not about to change any of the current maps as is, I doubt they're gonna over haul the water of La Noscea any time soon. More importantly, there's a LOT of other stuff I'd rather see changed and overhauled than trying to do swimming. Swimming alone would take probably 3-4 months just to develop, and another 2 to implement and get actually working. That's 6 months I'd rather see spent on more meaningful things.

The best way to handle jumping is just a smooth add-on to the basic movement mechanic. As far as I see anyway. Its a quick trip to the MoCap studio, about a week to get it all mapped, and bam. You're gold.

[MysaZages]

I would like jump.