Scrap current classes or keep as is?

[SomniOmnis]

I fear for the DoM's at this point cos the classic FF spell sets for WHM, BLM, RDM and DRK are split unevenly between the two DoM's we have now.

With the current free system of spell and skill swapping there is no need for dedicated healers and such. Unless you change that you will not get focus into the DoM classes.

Effectively we have a classless system and bolting a load of titled abilities on at the end is not going to change the way the game is played.

So unless you throw the exsiting armoury and AP system away then why not go and sort out the zones, the quests, travel and make the game more fun to play than it is now. Tinkering with the class/job system wont cut it.

Yeah, lets wait and see but I am unconvinced by the job system from what I have read so far.

Its amazing how the same company that ended up with this WHM can make such a diluted mess of FF magic as they have in this game.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/White_Mage

Thats a long way to have fallen.

[Rowyne]

I fear for the DoM's at this point cos the classic FF spell sets for WHM, BLM, RDM and DRK are split unevenly between the two DoM's we have now.

With the current free system of spell and skill swapping there is no need for dedicated healers and such. Unless you change that you will not get focus into the DoM classes.

Effectively we have a classless system and bolting a load of titled abilities on at the end is not going to change the way the game is played.

So unless you throw the exsiting armoury and AP system away then why not go and sort out the zones, the quests, travel and make the game more fun to play than it is now. Tinkering with the class/job system wont cut it.

Yeah, lets wait and see but I am unconvinced by the job system from what I have read so far.

Its amazing how the same company that ended up with this WHM can make such a diluted mess of FF magic as they have in this game.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/White_Mage

Thats a long way to have fallen.

Tell me about it. My main job being a WHM in FFXI, playing dedicated healers in all my other MMOs, and then this... all I ever wanted to be was a WHM again. I was hoping with the job system and new dungeons that would now happen.

The armoury system is fine for soloing, but I like having a role to play in a party. It's nice to have solo viability, but I don't tend to go with hybrid builds or jack-of-all-trades classes, regardless. If I'm trying to complete something and I can't solo it because of class limitations, I'll grab someone else to help me. I'd rather be an awesome raid healer than be able to solo some dodos.

Just giving us a few new spells won't give us those traditional roles. It would need to be some major changing of skillsets and/or potency. Hell, I'm not sure CON and THM won't need some reworking before they can implement jobs. Hopefully the dev team has something good up their sleeve. I'll wait and see before I panic.

Guess what I'm trying to say is, if jobs, specifically healing roles, are too complicated to properly develop because of the armoury system, I'd rather scrap the armoury system.

[Physic]

Tell me about it. My main job being a WHM in FFXI, playing dedicated healers in all my other MMOs, and then this... all I ever wanted to be was a WHM again. I was hoping with the job system and new dungeons that would now happen.

The armoury system is fine for soloing, but I like having a role to play in a party. It's nice to have solo viability, but I don't tend to go with hybrid builds or jack-of-all-trades classes, regardless. If I'm trying to complete something and I can't solo it because of class limitations, I'll grab someone else to help me. I'd rather be an awesome raid healer than be able to solo some dodos.

Just giving us a few new spells won't give us those traditional roles. It would need to be some major changing of skillsets and/or potency. Hell, I'm not sure CON and THM won't need some reworking before they can implement jobs. Hopefully the dev team has something good up their sleeve. I'll wait and see before I panic.

Guess what I'm trying to say is, if jobs, specifically healing roles, are too complicated to properly develop because of the armoury system, I'd rather scrap the armoury system.

lol, kill all other jobs for the joy of whm? ehhhhhh. truth is you can be a healer now with a mix of con and thaum. you can buff the party manage your mp, debuff enemoes and keep people alive.

i guess they really do need job titles, AF and a guide template for people to follow. People simply dont have the imagination to realize they are something unless the game tells them they are.

how to make a great whm. first choose your prefered aoe type, cone or circle bomb
next use thes skills
cure ii
sacrifice ii
blood rite ( cure potency increases with magic potency)
profundity (cure amount up on next cast)
stone skin
shock spikes
slow
radiance/damnation depending on con or thaum
prot/shell
absorb def/evasion
siphon mp
initiation(give your buffs to others- see absorb def/ev)
purge
raise
emulate (give to tank with initiation)
spirit bind
dia
banish

now add a job title that gives you 20% healing magic potency, and wow, no one can heal as well as you can.


jobs really would be better served if they werent locked to a specific class. probably even better served if you had to level a couple classes to unlock them

Now if you want no one else to be able to cure at all, any game with any solo/small group minded elements isnt for you. you can be a healer now. just understand everyone else in the game wonthave no option to heal themselves, you can just be better at it than they can.
Do it longer, more potent and with greater effeciency.