Summoner would not work with FFXIV current state.

[Krausus]

Now do not get my wrong, I would love to have a summoner class in this game, but with the current lore behind the game a summoner class would really not fit with the storyline. To add a summoner class, it would kind of have to be a new type, ignoring the main stream FF summons such as Ifrit, Shiva, etc... Maybe a spirit type summoning, where they are not the defined elemental spirits like shiva=ice ifrit=fire, but maybe somewhere lower up the ladder, but still powerful, something new.

As far as battle tactics with summoner as well as pets, I could see a similar system as FFXIII and FFXI dragoon where maybe the pet/summon(if applied to game) would do attacks that coordinate with your own. However, with the stamina system, being able to individual control a spirit as well as your character would prove difficult.

Does anyone else feel like summoner would not fit with the game in its current state? I do think pet classes in general would work just fine, but not so much a summoner class. Feels like they would need to alter the storyline for the summons to be implemented.

Correct me if Im wrong but I could swear I remember reading something about summons would not being a class ability but would be added to the game somehow, kind of like the majority of FF games.

Wouldn't it be cool to add summons to battle regiments and different regiment chains would summon powerful deities such as ifirit, titan, shiva, etc..

[Spuffin]

I was trying to leave a nebulous (lazy) comment ><

Honestly, its a story and stories can change through twist and turns that don't kill cannon. If you wanted to summon a summon that was a visual imagine of the creatures we have grown to know all so well through the years I don't think it would be that hard. It could be something similar in the vein of 11.

It would take a lot of writing, but you could do quest(s) that lead you to the point of being able to summon a piece of whatever summoned you've earned (through aforementioned quest). Like 11 (using 11 for brevity rather than wanting a clone of that system) you could summon an actual shiva, but in storyline wise its just a fraction of her power she has bestowed upon you. They (the summons) give the smallest of their ethereal essence to people deserving of their power to wield as they see fit.

If they're Gods then it makes sense for them (through the idea of summoner in the first place through general FF lore) to have Avatars or disciples of their power running around. A little writing can add a whole bunch of things.

You never elaborated... you never explained why you said it would work with our current battle system...

[Zantetsuken]

Im down with the total idea I just want it to fit into however the combat system evolves. So even if Shiva is summoned and has its own battle actions, as long as it fits and doesn't throw off how fights are going its all good. even if the combat area itself freezes over to allow shiva to exist and turn into a mini dynamic area would work in you're design idea. That's my two cents.

Think of it more as an uber-spell rather than a pet job. The last attack part functions like an old-school (pre FFX) summon. Shiva would appear pull off a single, ultra-powerful ice attack (more powerful than any version of Blizzaga or Freeze at the same rank/level) and then vanish. This would not interrupt the battle, but merely the perspective of the players within the sphere of influence.

In short, the idea is to revive traditional FF one-shot summoning, but this time make it much more dramatic with multiple battlefield changing effects as it is being cast.

The avatar-as-a-pet idea is something that works OK in single player FF games, but in an MMO environment, they fall flat. I'd ave the pet concept for a Beastmaster or Puppetmaster like class.

[Argh]

Nothing would work in ffxiv's current state.

[Zenaku]

Really? how so? You do understand that most of us make a pack with the avatar that the beastman can Summon. SE said that we could later summon them by doing a chain of quest. Then you allow to use there powers in battle. If you ever did the high rank mission one of them talk to you and say you have gods but can't summon them? You most make a pack with me and don't talk to the other avatar or something like.

It's clear that the storyline could allow you to use them if you learn them for the beastman also SE said we later could learn from the beastman spell,craft items, and much more.

[Evangela]

Is beastman the same thing as summoner?

[Griss]

Is beastman the same thing as summoner?

No, Currently in xiv the beast tribes are the only ones who have access to the primals they are there gods. and Members of the beast tribes are currently the only ones who can cause them to manifest them self physically.

[Zenaku]

Is beastman the same thing as summoner?

No Beastman can summoner the avatar, Ifirt e.g that there gods. The 5 race have 12 gods and the beastman each have there own gods. Each of the beastman can summoner there own god to help them they also take the form of them. They worship there avatar to the point that there body look like them. Now SE said that all beastman are not evil most of them think that talking it over would bring peace to the world the others think that war would. In the storyline we talk to the beastman and tell them we both may not get along but we both well get kill by the empire. The empire wants to get all the avatar and use them for something if you ever saw the opening movie the big dragon blow up the ship and all the avatar was release from it they trying to get them back again,.



@Griss yep he 100% right about it only the beast tribes for now. btw griss don't you think it mess up that we know noting about our gods but more about the beastmans? i wish we could learn more about our own gods.

So at the end yes we could use them later but for now no we can learn from the beastman like spell and other stuff. Maybe this also could mean they could be a blue mage job in the works and summoners could be a class that pick up the avatars from the beastmans.

[Evangela]

however, beastman is a horrible name....

[Zenaku]

however, beastman is a horrible name....

o.o what would you call them then? i enjoy the name sense FFXI.