Summoner would not work with FFXIV current state.

[Ranka]

Now do not get my wrong, I would love to have a summoner class in this game, but with the current lore behind the game a summoner class would really not fit with the storyline. To add a summoner class, it would kind of have to be a new type, ignoring the main stream FF summons such as Ifrit, Shiva, etc... Maybe a spirit type summoning, where they are not the defined elemental spirits like shiva=ice ifrit=fire, but maybe somewhere lower up the ladder, but still powerful, something new.

As far as battle tactics with summoner as well as pets, I could see a similar system as FFXIII and FFXI dragoon where maybe the pet/summon(if applied to game) would do attacks that coordinate with your own. However, with the stamina system, being able to individual control a spirit as well as your character would prove difficult.

Does anyone else feel like summoner would not fit with the game in its current state? I do think pet classes in general would work just fine, but not so much a summoner class. Feels like they would need to alter the storyline for the summons to be implemented.

[derekx]

Depending on how creative the development team gets they can do pretty much anything. Being a new game, a summoner type class would likely have different mechanics. I don't think you'd see it the way it was done in FFXI even if there were no lore issues.

That said summons haven't always been elementals. In FFIV or (FF2 in the USA) summoner more or less just summoned monsters. And, yes, there were the normal elemental spirits in FFXI. I think pretty much anything can be done with the class and still feel very summoner like.

[Ranka]

Depending on how creative the development team gets they can do pretty much anything. Being a new game, a summoner type class would likely have different mechanics. I don't think you'd see it the way it was done in FFXI even if there were no lore issues.

That said summons haven't always been elementals. In FFIV or (FF2 in the USA) summoner more or less just summoned monsters. And, yes, there were the normal elemental spirits in FFXI. I think pretty much anything can be done with the class and still feel very summoner like.

Well ya I agree, if they do something along those lines it would work. What I am stating is the classic summons, Bahamut, Ifrit, Shiva, Odin, etc... Those would not work because of this games storyline. We would need different types of summons for summoner class to feel like it really belongs

[Vackashken]

It would work fine

[Holy_Dragoon]

Shiva - Ice
Ifrit - Fire
Leviathan - Water
Ramuh - Lightning
Titan - Earth.

Nope, no FF IV elemental summons at all

On topic though, it would take some creative storytelling to make Summoner a valid class in XIV. They are a key part to the lore, and it would fit, yet wouldn't all at the same time.

[Ranka]

It would work fine

Elaborate? xD

Shiva - Ice
Ifrit - Fire
Leviathan - Water
Ramuh - Lightning
Titan - Earth.

Nope, no FF IV elemental summons at all

On topic though, it would take some creative storytelling to make Summoner a valid class in XIV. They are a key part to the lore, and it would fit, yet wouldn't all at the same time.

Ya its kind of odd how it works, they kind of set themselves up with a summoner class that will really be unique to this game if they do not change the storyline. Would really be interesting to see.

[derekx]

Shiva - Ice
Ifrit - Fire
Leviathan - Water
Ramuh - Lightning
Titan - Earth.

Nope, no FF IV elemental summons at all

On topic though, it would take some creative storytelling to make Summoner a valid class in XIV. They are a key part to the lore, and it would fit, yet wouldn't all at the same time.

I was referring to summons like chocobo, sylph, asura, and so on. Think of the many espers in FFVI. There are generic elemental spirits in FFXI, also diabolos and alexander. There were other elemental deities in FFVIII like the lightning guy whatever his name was. So there are a lot of options besides those few primes.

Story telling shouldn't be an issue if summoners are more like callers from FFIV and simply call monsters or spirits. But, again, I think the devs have lots of options either way.

[Keyln]

The funny thing about lore is that it can be changed and updated to do whatever the devs want it to do.

Lore is no reason not to do something.

[Malakhim]

I had this thought originally, but there really isn't any reason that an Evoker class can't be introduced at some point in the game. Perhaps it could be unlocked as part of a storyline quest?

Naturally if you only associate an Evoker with stuff like Ifrit, Shiva, Titan, etc. then yes, it can't be included due to the lore, but there's nothing that says they can't use the huge amount of other summons that have appeared within the series before.

Pandemona/Valefor/Typhoon = Wind
Quetzacoatl/Ixion/Hydra = Thunder
Mist Dragon/Bismark = Water/Ice
Phoenix = Fire
Brothers/Golem = Earth
Seraph/Lakshmi/Fairy/Maduin = Holy
Phantom/Shoat = Dark

I'm missing a bunch, but you get the idea. They could even incorporate them as "lesser primals" or something that fall under their respective "greater primal".

[Griss]

I definitely don't see the "New School" pet style summoner working well with in the construct of xiv. how ever i can see the old way of using the spirits as single shot spike damage or buffer/debuffer working quite well. I really do not see the primals wanting to hang around and have tea with you. they give off the air of lending you a bit of there power to use as there disciple though.

You can see this in action with the beast tribes. All of the Amalj'aa attacks are firebased, we know from interaction with them that they are under the sway of Lord Ifrit. Ifrit being the sole primal that players have had any interaction with so far (if you have progressed in the story far enough). Kobalts use earth based abilitys and heck 90% of there attacks have Titan in there name. Titans flesh, rage, ect. The Ixtal have a Wind based theme to there attacks and they are under the say of Garuda. and one can assume that once the sahagan stop hiding behind the reavers and show there faces they will have a water based theme being under the influence of leviathan.

I can honestly see characters being able to manifest the powers of a primal or guardian to perform various actions and then at higher ranks for a summoner proper being able to actually call a physical embodiment into existence to perform a damaging attack before that embodiment vanishes. Once again i go back to the beast tribes. while the rank and file can draw on there god, its only the clergy proper that can Summon them from the astral realm.