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  1. #951
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoarLegion View Post
    Except they're not being segregated, not in the least. There is no region locking, there is no "YOU CAN'T PLAY WITH THESE PEOPLE!" You pick what server you want to play on.

    How people keep missing this point is beyond me, apparently basic reading comprehension is outside the capabilities of most people.
    Apparently, you are included in those group of people lacking reading comprehension. It was said many times already that gathering all of the people on one server is not going to work, simply because even if someone is your friend, you're not their only friend, and their friends are not only friends with them either. Forcing to decide between friends is what SE is doing.

    The only way that would work is if we had the choice which region to go to each time we log in, but that's unlikely to happen.

    It's also interesting how many people play they "you can't understand them anyway" card. Are you so sure of it? If you're limited to one language, it's your own fault. I'm constantly learning new ones instead. With 5 languages atm, I understand a lot of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soukyuu View Post
    Apparently, you are included in those group of people lacking reading comprehension. It was said many times already that gathering all of the people on one server is not going to work, simply because even if someone is your friend, you're not their only friend, and their friends are not only friends with them either. Forcing to decide between friends is what SE is doing.

    The only way that would work is if we had the choice which region to go to each time we log in, but that's unlikely to happen.

    It's also interesting how many people play they "you can't understand them anyway" card. Are you so sure of it? If you're limited to one language, it's your own fault. I'm constantly learning new ones instead. With 5 languages atm, I understand a lot of people.
    such a drama...

    is it too hard to make new friends?

    as we never "lost" our friend in real life, when you grow up, or you moved away, you will lost contact with some of your friend...but you will also find new friends in your new place/school...

    SE provide OPTIONS, for those that who want to get better game experience,that should be provided since DAY 1..

    and Its not our fault to only able in one language, its our choice, but if you think knowing 5 languages make you feel smarter than rest of us,go ahead,but its a moot point on this discussion
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    What's the Big fuss?add 3 Data Center Servers for eu, na and Jp that have a "global" on them so ppl will Know that Players with the Same interest will collect there.
    If your Friends Want to Play on a Server with Data Centers Close to them you will have to Respect their decission and not cry about Communities being split because of the data centers.
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  4. #954
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aion View Post
    such a drama...

    is it too hard to make new friends?

    as we never "lost" our friend in real life, when you grow up, or you moved away, you will lost contact with some of your friend...but you will also find new friends in your new place/school...
    Sure, I've lost friends. Did I like it? No. Do I like the prospect of losing some again? No.

    and Its not our fault to only able in one language, its our choice, but if you think knowing 5 languages make you feel smarter than rest of us,go ahead,but its a moot point on this discussion
    Where did I say knowing 5 languages makes me smarter? Assumptions, assumptions.

    My point stands; if you can't understand any other language, don't assume others don't.
    "Fault" and "choice" are a matter of perspective and don't change the fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Rose View Post
    What's the Big fuss?add 3 Data Center Servers for eu, na and Jp that have a "global" on them so ppl will Know that Players with the Same interest will collect there.
    That's not what SE is planning to do, that's the fuss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soukyuu View Post
    Sure, I've lost friends. Did I like it? No. Do I like the prospect of losing some again? No.

    Where did I say knowing 5 languages makes me smarter? Assumptions, assumptions.

    My point stands; if you can't understand any other language, don't assume others don't.
    "Fault" and "choice" are a matter of perspective and don't change the fact.

    That's not what SE is planning to do, that's the fuss.
    Im not assuming, the fact is people prefer to talk using its Native language, or English if its his secondary language. Thats why some of them prefer regional server.

    your argument to support global server only (5 languages it is) is weak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aion View Post
    Im not assuming, the fact is people prefer to talk using its Native language, or English if its his secondary language. Thats why some of them prefer regional server.

    your argument to support global server only (5 languages it is) is weak.
    It would seem that some people just like to stare at Japanese/French/German ( And English for those that don't know English) text instead of playing the game. In an MMO world, a person needs to be able to communicate with the people your joining up with or else you can end up killing your party from this "Language Barrier". My main problem with Multi-Cultural gaming is that you can't really communicate effectively, sometimes even with the Auto-Translate.

    It helps greatly when you know people within your language to communicate with you. Don't get me wrong, they are fun to play with and Multi-Cultural parties when you can get the communication a crossed, but sometimes you spend more time just trying to get the goal of the mission down through Multi Languages.

    Also, add in the fact that everyone will have different Latency's, It can make things very difficult ( even for 1-2 second delay over someone) can really make a huge difference when claiming something, or if someone is in Critical health and your cure didn't get there in time, even though you put the input in 2 seconds ago.

    Battling Latency doesn't equal skill, it's just plain annoying to deal with and can make play experience frustrating.

    The only one's that would benefit from a Global server are the one's near those servers ( in this case is Japanese).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aion View Post
    Im not assuming, the fact is people prefer to talk using its Native language, or English if its his secondary language. Thats why some of them prefer regional server.

    your argument to support global server only (5 languages it is) is weak.
    And what stops you from talking English on a global server? Or any other language? That's right, nothing.

    On regional servers, you don't have much of a choice however, good luck speaking in any language than the designated one.

    If anything, saying you want regional servers to be able to speak only one language is a weak argument. You should try something like "I don't want to see languages I don't understand, because people might be talking behind my back" etc. The mere existence of other language players does not give you any disadvantage. If you don't want to speak another language, ignore those speaking it. That way, you will have your "regional" servers, playerbase-wise. While others will have their multicultural fun.
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    This is lame.

    I play with lots of friends from different regions. But critical mass is going to start consolidating people by region so those friends are all going to leave.

    No one is going to stick around on a server when their main language base starts disappearing.

    Destroying communities for the sake of lag. I guess its worth it.....

    Its too bad, the multicultural feel of FFXI/XIV was something I always enjoyed. Plus having people playing off-peak was nice too. Now outside of EST/PST it will be dead in NA. :/
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    is this argument over the semantics of labeling a server still going on? its not like calling a particular server "Global" will be some magical cure to all the complaints i see people raise. if they want to do that, fine, i'm all for it. i for one wont join global, i would prefer a server close to me. I'm a computer tech, i understand how latency works. i'm not a programmer or an MMO pro but i've played a few in my time and i know how frustrating lag is and how much people despise it. wouldnt you be some pissed if you are fighting the newly released boss when your whm dies and says "sorry, lag" for the 10th time in a row?

    i support SE's choice, i also encourage the labeling of a server (wherever its physical location) as "Global". i'm also not entirly sure the argument for lag is one that will be as valid as it is now. they have said they are reworking the client and upgrading the servers to reduce lag. most of the sentiment is coming from current version experience. can we all just swallow a giant chill pill on this topic until at least one of us has played the alpha, or even wait until beta?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlord View Post
    <snip> ... instead of playing the game.
    But that's exactly why I would prefer global servers. So I can play the game, not just in primetime, but any free time that I have (which is admittedly some very strange hours). I had a great PT at 6am this past weekend that was a split of NA/JP/EU. We had a heck of a time doing random flights and just hanging out. I will sorely miss that.

    As others have said, even though they will offer a choice of which region server you want to be on, that will be most appropriate to (as an example) an English speaker who happens to be living in another country, or vice-versa; or someone who had a non-standard work schedule and regularly plays at a time that isn't their normal primetime.

    What this will NOT do is provide for global servers that are active at all times of the day. Even though I really enjoy playing with JP/EU, being on one of their servers will still be to my detriment due to the lack of NA. I don't *gain* anything through that making that choice.

    I realize why this is being done, but it still makes me sad that one of the things I (and many others) particularly enjoy about FFXI and FFXIV is going away.
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