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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    they've technically done four polls by the way, and absolutely no- I welcome them doing a poll about it. I know very well that they won't be crushed.

    I totally agree however that this would be the best way to get a real gauge of opinion on the matter.

    You don't provide any citations either. And like polls may not be the best method, but until someone links me to something more concrete, like an unbiased-written poll on some other website or something, they don't have any more leg to stand on than you claim I do.

    The burden of proof is on you. Provide proof of the multitude of Japanese threads being supportive for Regional servers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingolf View Post
    The burden of proof is on you. Provide proof of the multitude of Japanese threads being supportive for Regional servers.
    The burden of proof is not on me. I was not the first person to make a sweeping claim of all/most JP wanting global servers. When someone makes a claim with no proof, I don't feel any need to make the effort to achieve a higher standard. They've already made a poor argument. You provide the proof of JP all speaking against regional servers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    I don't think you understand. I'm not referencing anything but actual connection speed.

    If you are doing IfritX and go from 150ms to 180ms, you will be unable to dodge reliably.
    Those people who beat him with the currently much worse than .2 ms must be gods among men then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    Those people who beat him with the currently much worse than .2 ms must be gods among men then.
    It doesn't mean that it's unbeatable now. It only means that what was a problem that sometimes impacted the fight would now be less likely to have that impact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    God does exist, give me proof that he doesn't exist.
    The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 10 characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    It doesn't mean that it's unbeatable now. It only means that what was a problem that sometimes impacted the fight would now be less likely to have that impact.
    It's less likely to have that impact with good netcode. Regional servers are just a cop out to hide the problem instead of fixing it.
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    Yep very bad idea. However I bet the majority of japanese like this idea and probably pushed for it and thats why any complaints againts it will fall on dead ears. I know this may seem a shocker to most of these JP ass kissing NAs, the majority of JP players dont like playing with NAs. Various reasons and whatnot. To complain about this idea is to complain to that fat girl you just met 5 mins ago why she wont sleep with you.

    JP ONRY?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    Ah, wishful thinking

    Considering how selective your reading (and responding) is, it's not that surprising.
    Nice ninja edit to throw in insults. I don't read selectively- I read the entire post from the first word to the last- and I only respond to things that deserve a response.

    It's less likely to have that impact with good netcode. Regional servers are just a cop out to hide the problem instead of fixing it.
    Netcode and server processing are parts of a whole, as is latency. They are all factors. There is in fact no cop out, because they are fixing the server systems to reduce the delay on the server end- This isn't a cop-out because SE knows about the server problems and is rebuilding the servers from the ground up to fix them. They aren't so blind and stupid as to think that reducing pings is the only thing they can do to improve network performance. But they also aren't so blind and stupid to realize that, like the netcode, ping is also a factor. Not that better ping is the only benefit of regional servers. You know, if there was an actual region lockout being implemented, then I would be opposed to the whole idea. But as long as players have the freedom to choose the server they wish to play on, there is no issue in my book.

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    Haha, you're funny.
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    Poor Australia loses out again, have to go to a NA/EU server to be able to play in English @ primetime, not like that isn't happening already...<.<
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    First, I'll quote my post, because.. oh well, it's faster this way..

    First, let me clarify that there are many English-speaking players who do not live in NA, EU or Japan. Yes, it's true, surprise surprise.

    And many of these people might be *close* to one of those regions than the others, but as far as the latency go, it won't be faster or slower for them. It does not matter which region they choose, it will just be the same. And these are the people who are hurt the most from this decision. Because their friends from NA, EU and JP are going to be divided, and they have to cut their losses and choose one of the 3 regions.

    Second, and mainly, I'd like to request Globally-labeled servers as a 4th choice after the 3 regions.
    Yes, I know, we can't have "Global" servers because the server has to physically exist in a country. (This was debated and explained over and over in 200+ posts) We just want a server to be labeled "Global" and it can just exist in Japan since Square-Enix is originally a Japanese company. Or it can exist in NA or wherever, it doesn't matter.

    And before you start going "What's the use of just naming it Global? You can just choose one of the three types of servers you have, they are all global, just located in different places, labeling will deceive people."

    No, it won't deceive people, when people go through the character creation menu and jump to the servers list, and when they see the labels "NA", "EU" and "JP". They won't think "They are global but they are just data centers in these locations" No, this is a game, they won't start researching the meaning behind the labels, the simplest idea will pop on their heads and they will think:
    "NA means: for NA players", "EU means: for EU players" and "JP means: for JP players" and they will choose the server that's located in their region, and that kills the concept of "global servers"

    When you make a 4th choice, and call it a "Global server" it just means "A server for everyone" that simple. This will insure that everyone has a choice. An actual choice.

    Yes it might be bit "laggy", but I doubt it will be that bad, and for us players who aren't in NA, EU or JP. It will be the same speed anywhere, anyway. And we are confident that, at the very least, it will be faster than how it is right now.

    So.. time for some fun: FAQs for Trolls

    "Why don't you just choose one of the three regions already?"
    Because I want to play with all of my friends, selfish, right? Well, Square-Enix introduced them to me in its global online RPGs. And I don't want Square-Enix to be the reason I begin to choose which to follow and which to leave behind. I have awesome friends who are always fun to hang out with, from all over the world, and it will be an honor to keep hanging out with them in ARR. We're not asking for a miracle, we're asking for a feature that's supposed to be in this game forever.

    "Then why don't you just ask your friends to come with you?"
    It's not a simple thing, it's a long chain, this guy has to be in a NA server because his wife will go there, because she promised her sister. And this guy has friends who entered the game for him, he has to go where they decide to go as a group. And this LS decided to stay...etc
    Yeah it's not simple at all, they have their friends/family in-game, and these friends/family have friends..
    And they are all saying the same thing, "If only there was a Global server", they are all willing to compromise.

    "Then why don't you just stay where you are????"
    The current servers aren't global, they won't stay global, they will be labeled under a region, and people of that region will fill the place, leaving no spot for global interaction. I love Japanese players, but I don't want to be one of 50 English-speaking players in a world full of Japanese players, and the same goes for EU and NA players, there has to be a balance.

    "Just get new friends" "friends are temporary, lag is forever"
    Stuff like that has been said over and over, and I feel bad for the people who meant that, if you look down on your online friends, or if you couldn't find real friends online, then it's your problem, not ours. There are people out there who actually care about their online friends and would like to keep hanging out with them.

    "Make a new character for each region."
    Yeah right, we spent 2 years on our characters, only to make a new character for each regional server later. I'm absolutely sure this was said by people who didn't spend much time in FFXIV, so it didn't matter much to them.

    "Then quit"
    We invested so much time on this game, and supported it with everything we got, from monthly fees in a questionable time, to votes and attention. We love Final Fantasy XIV and Square-Enix, and we are going to keep supporting it. Who are you to tell people to quit?
    Now let's see the brilliant answers I was expecting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    Their friends won't be divided. they can simply choose to join the server their friends are on instead of what's most convenient for them.
    Oh mighty sole representative of Square Enix, thank you for your amazing solution, how did we miss that? Oh right, we didn't. I will color the quote above for you so you'd understand.. but then again, you won't. You and 2 or 3 people actually turned this thread into a 100-pages by repeating your ridiculous answers to anyone who simply wanted a solution. Without bothering to care about us. So, please, do yourself a favor, and take down your imaginary Square Enix Administrator tag, because you have a right to tell your opinion, you have a right to disagree, once or twice, but you have no right to lead the entire thread and shoot down every single thread, it's not your job.

    Seriously, shouldn't be there some kind of limit to how many replies you can make in a thread? A few people are repeatedly shooting down others' opinions, and then going on about "Half of us want it, and half of us don't" No, not half, not even close. I read the entire thread, more than once, to know how many people actually disagreed, and they weren't that many, and even those who disagreed, most of them didn't fully understand what was going on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    You're not going to get dev replies just because you ask for them. They reply to topics when they have news that is relevant to the topic- not because someone wants to be replied to (Who wouldn't want community rep responses)? Therfore, you can skip the disclaimers because people are going to read it, and they're going to reply to it. This is a debate with two sides and no real gray area. People are either on one side or the other.
    First, I said I wrote this to "Reach" the Dev. Team, and hoped for them to reply, it was a hope, I know they won't reply, I just mainly wanted them to know how we feel. And I welcome replies, I want people to reply, I just don't want to read something I read in 1000 replies before this, I know what you will say, and it doesn't make sense, and I don't want you to say it again, that's why I made the disclaimer. And for you, as a gift, I will say it again:
    No one is going to give you a trophy for shooting people's ideas down. And you won't lose anything, you will still have your *pwecious~<3* regional servers. We just want our own globally-labeled ones.

    And these globally-labeled servers will be filled before the regional ones, mark my words. Not only English-speaking players who aren't in the 3 listed regions. But even NA, EU and JP players who want to have a multicultural community. As well as international Linkshells.
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