Data Centers/World Locations Info from the LIVE Letter

[Jynx]

The difference between 150ms and 180ms in FFXIV is enough to get you killed on any move you need to dodge.

It obviously isn't considering we currently experience lag far beyond what 150-200+ ms due to the server itself (Not our network latency) having issues.

The current 1.0 "Lag" is something hardly related to our connections as it even impedes Japanese players abillity to dodge attacks you know those guys who live like right beside the server.

[Churchill]

I don't think you understand. I'm not referencing anything but actual connection speed.

If you are doing IfritX and go from 150ms to 180ms, you will be unable to dodge reliably.

[Issachar]

Can't wait for regional servers. Tired of the underhanded JPs with the unwarranted superiority complex and the French generally lowering the standards of quality on Ridill.

[Alhanelem]

When you have friends from three different regions and those friends are suddenly split into three different servers,

There is no forced splitting taking place. Talk it over with your friends and all agree on a server. If they're true friend friends, they'lll stay together. If they're not willing to follow you or vice versa, then they aren't true friends and you can just make new ones later.

It is not the end of the world if you end up having to leave an online aquaintance. There will be plenty more of them as time goes on. These divisions are inevitable as new servers are added and old ones retired, even if there is no region labeling.

"Regional servers" is not "segregated servers." Segregation implies you are forced to stay with a particular group. You are not forced to do anything. You have a choice. It may or may not be an easy choice to make, but you have a choice. You can also choose everything, and make characters on multiple servers. It won't even cost you extra.

Regardless of whether you like having servers physically located in different regions or not, it's happening. You can roll with it and go with your friends / make new ones, or you can complain about it or quit the game, but it's happneing like or not. SE has already invested in the infrastructure. It would cost them a shit ton of money not to go through with it at this point.

On the subject of lag- All lag is bad lag. Whether it's server processing lag or high ping lag, lag is bad. Period. Any amount of it you can eliminate is a good thing.

[Ruisu]

Very much in favor of this. EST region server ftw.

I highly doubt there'll be an EST server. the NA servers will probably all be based in California, since that's where SE's HQ is.

[Abriael]

The difference between 150ms and 180ms in FFXIV is enough to get you killed on any move you need to dodge.

Oh really? Tell it to the thousand players that did it and are still doing it with ping *way* higher than that. It's enough to get a poor player killed, maybe, but a poor player would get killed even with a ping of 25 with the servers placed downstairs from his apartment.

Can't wait for regional servers. Tired of the underhanded JPs with the unwarranted superiority complex and the French generally lowering the standards of quality on Ridill.

I spot a racist. Truly contemptible. People with this kind of sentment simply aren't fit to play online.

There is no forced splitting taking place. Talk it over with your friends and all agree on a server. If they're true friend friends, they'lll stay together. If they're not willing to follow you or vice versa, then they aren't true friends and you can just make new ones later.

I see you still don't understand even with a detailed explanation. Or more probably you still intentionally and conveniently ignore it because you don't have an argument to counter it.

Friends have friends of their own, and those friends have friends of their own, and so forth. If a friend of a friend decides to go to his regional server, and asks my friend to join him, my friend will have to chose between that friend and me. Multiply the problem for every friend, and you have an unsolvable puzzle.

Your "solution" is a massive oversimplification that has nothing to do with reality.

These divisions are inevitable as new servers are added and old ones retired, even if there is no region labeling.

No, not really. With no region labeling it's much easier to organize and move over to a single server, like it's already been done with the merge.

"Regional servers" is not "segregated servers." Segregation implies you are forced to stay with a particular group. You are not forced to do anything. You have a choice. It may or may not be an easy choice to make, but you have a choice. You can also choose everything, and make characters on multiple servers. It won't even cost you extra.

There's no worse deaf of the one that doesn't wanna hear. Not everyone has the time to play multiple characters. Servers are segregated in effect because labeling will drag the majority of a regional community over. If I decide to play on a NA server, I'm still segregated from most of my European and JP friends.

Regardless of whether you like having servers physically located in different regions or not, it's happening. You can roll with it and go with your friends / make new ones, or you can complain about it or quit the game, but it's happneing like or not. SE has already invested in the infrastructure. It would cost them a shit ton of money not to go through with it at this point.

If you think that "it's happening whether you like it or not" you must have not played many MMORPGs. In MMOS nothing happens until it happens. As of now, nothing is set in stone, and there's plenty time for SE to understand that the vast majority of the community is against it.

Servers can be moved. Even assuming that Square Enix already has the server farms in place (which is a LARGE and probably unfounded assumption), you're talking like those servers are nailed to the ground. Lemme enlighten you. They aren't.

[Alhanelem]

Servers can be moved. Even assuming that Square Enix already has the server farms in place (which is a LARGE and probably unfounded assumption), you're talking like those servers are nailed to the ground. Lemme enlighten you. They aren't.

Somebody doesn't know how much hosting costs for an MMO. I'm quite sure someone found out that SE already has aquired the data center arrangements, I'll have to see if I can find where that was said again, but I'm quite certain they have already. yes, servers can be "Moved" but when you've already incurred the cost for a hosting arrangement (which is usually a contract for a set period of time) you've already incurred a substantial espense. Also, right now, people wanting regional servers are in the majority. Not a scientific fact, but when asked that ismple question on this forum, there was an overwhelming majority for regional servers- like a 2 to 1 ratio.

There's no worse deaf of the one that doesn't wanna hear. Not everyone has the time to play multiple characters. Servers are segregated in effect because labeling will drag the majority of a regional community over. If I decide to play on a NA server, I'm still segregated from most of my European and JP friends.

You're sitll misusing the word segregated (people love using this word because it carries a lot of weight, especially in North America- but that doesn't mean it's not being abused). You have a choice of where to be. You are still free to choose any server you want, and server transfers will be avialable as well. It would only be "segregation" if the servers were region locked and you weren't allowed to choose servers in a different region. I'm not being deaf or not hearing certain things. I hear it all loud and clear. Those EU and JP friends are welcome to join whatever server you join. You don't know that they wouldn't unless you ask.

No, not really. With no region labeling it's much easier to organize and move over to a single server, like it's already been done with the merge.

there is nothing eaiser about it. You still have friends of friends of friends that may or may not want to change servers in this situation. It happens every server merge or new server setup in every game i've ever played. Friends inevitably get seperated. You can either make new ones, or stamp your foot and pout, but it still happens. Labels are irrelevant. Changing worlds when a new one created has the same difficulties regardless of what label is placed on them.

[Abriael]

Somebody doesn't know how much hosting costs for an MMO. I'm quite sure someone found out that SE already has aquired the data center arrangements, I'll have to see if I can find where that was said again, but I'm quite certain they have already. yes, servers can be "Moved" but when you've already incurred the cost for a hosting arrangement (which is usually a contract for a set period of time) you've already incurred a substantial espense.

You being "quite certain" doesn't make for evidence. You have no data on the issue, it's that simple. Mind you, hosting contracts can normally be rescinded at rather low penalties with enough advance notice.

Talking like they have no choice other than use those datacenters quite clearly shows that the one that has very little knowledge on how server hosting works is you.

They can easily go back on it, and if they do listen to their community, they will.

Also, right now, people wanting regional servers are in the majority. Not a scientific fact, but when asked that ismple question on this forum, there was an overwhelming majority for regional servers- like a 2 to 1 ratio.

LOL. Funny, you must have a very selective reading, because every single thread, this one included, both on this forum and on the Japanese one, always had a crushing majority against regional servers. Making up stuff and reading only what you want to read won't do you any good, you know?

You're sitll misusing the word segregated (people love using this word because it carries a lot of weight, especially in North America- but that doesn't mean it's not being abused). You have a choice of where to be. You are still free to choose any server you want, and server transfers will be avialable as well. It would only be "segregation" if the servers were region locked and you weren't allowed to choose servers in a different region. I'm not being deaf or not hearing certain things. I hear it all loud and clear.

You don't seem to. Having the choice doesn't make the server less segregated when the majority of each regional community goes to a regional server. They are, in effect, segregated.

[Ingolf]

Somebody doesn't know how much hosting costs for an MMO. I'm quite sure someone found out that SE already has aquired the data center arrangements, I'll have to see if I can find where that was said again, but I'm quite certain they have already. yes, servers can be "Moved" but when you've already incurred the cost for a hosting arrangement (which is usually a contract for a set period of time) you've already incurred a substantial espense. Also, right now, people wanting regional servers are in the majority. Not a scientific fact, but when asked that ismple question on this forum, there was an overwhelming majority for regional servers- like a 2 to 1 ratio.

You're sitll misusing the word segregated (people love using this word because it carries a lot of weight, especially in North America- but that doesn't mean it's not being abused). You have a choice of where to be. You are still free to choose any server you want, and server transfers will be avialable as well. It would only be "segregation" if the servers were region locked and you weren't allowed to choose servers in a different region. I'm not being deaf or not hearing certain things. I hear it all loud and clear. Those EU and JP friends are welcome to join whatever server you join. You don't know that they wouldn't unless you ask.

there is nothing eaiser about it. You still have friends of friends of friends that may or may not want to change servers in this situation. It happens every server merge or new server setup in every game i've ever played. Friends inevitably get seperated. You can either make new ones, or stamp your foot and pout, but it still happens. Labels are irrelevant. Changing worlds when a new one created has the same difficulties regardless of what label is placed on them.

Hosting costs are barely a footnote in MMO Quarterly bills.

[Abriael]

Hosting costs are barely a footnote in MMO Quarterly bills.

And contracts for them can be rescinded before operation starts with a penalty that is a fraction of that cost.

Alhanelem is right: Somebody doesn't know how much hosting costs for an MMO. And that somebody is him.